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General Forum => General Discussion => : Sentry July 03, 2013, 07:47:45 PM
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Since I know it is coming here, cause we are a little slow for these things to come to this forum...
Here is the link from the Russian Ministries
http://en.mchs.ru/news/item/434203/
Several documents signed during joint work of Russian Emergency Ministry and FEMA
The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry and the USA Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) are going to exchange experts during joint rescue operations in major disasters. This is provided by a protocol of the fourth meeting of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission Working Group on Emergency Situations and seventeenth meeting of Joint U.S.-Russia Cooperation Committee on Emergency Situations, which took place in Washington on 25 June.
The document provides for expert cooperation in disaster response operations and to study the latest practices.
In addition, the parties approved of U.S.-Russian cooperation in this field in 2013-2014, which envisages exchange of experience including in monitoring and forecasting emergency situations, training of rescuers, development of mine-rescuing and provision of security at mass events.
At the end of the meeting the parties expressed their satisfaction with the level of cooperation between the Russian Federation and the United States in the area of emergency prevention and response and agreed to develop it in order to respond efficiently to all kinds of disasters.
I see nothing about Russian Troops, or other things that are being reported... This is thus far a rumor which is being blown out of proportion. People are adding to it their interpretation of what is stated.
Until I see foreign troops I have no concern. Even then, until I see people being hauled off, I have no concern. Don't feed into the hype people.
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We have also sent "troops" to China, Australia, and several others and hosted them here...... Actually these were experts fighting wildfires not military at all. That's what I see here not military.
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Had heard nothing about this at all. Doesn't look like anything to worry over.
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oh its all over Facebook and the conspiracy sites... surprised I'm the first here to post it...
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Okay I got to do this...
WOLVERINES!!!
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Maybe cause I'm older. I'm sure russian troops on American soil will be a problem for me. The United States of America does not need other countries troops to HELP us. We have American troops all over the globe. If we need help, bring them ALL home. We take care of our own.
Old guy rant over.
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i'm with you sy85 ::fr
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I can speak to this pretty well............. When there is a major disaster it is managed by ICS ( Incident Management System). This is a program that pre-defines different jobs so that when shtf you aren't trying to organize food, water, and toilets for the rescuers.
It doesn't matter what the emergency is, the same team, (IMT Incident management team) can come in and run anything. There is a plans department, an operations, logistics, etc. The upper management can go to any type of event, because they don't need to be an expert on how to fix it. You plug the experts in at the operations level, and in plans.
All of this is to say that in this country we have a bunch of Forest Service, BLM, BIA, and other NON MILITARY agencies that would be the ones sent to Russia, Australia or wherever. *And have been going and helping for YEARS, especially for wildfires.
But in other countries some of these disaster experts are managed under the military.
I too am not a fan of Russian military "troops" coming into the U.S., but I don't think this is what they are saying. What they are looking at is getting the disaster experts from each country to work together and share information to improve our ability to work together.
WE of all people believe that at some point the Sh!t will hit the Fan, so let's put that in context of a major nuclear accident at a power plant. If there was radiation and death flowing freely, and we have experts coming in from wherever to help, it could only be a good thing.
Now, U.N. "peacekeepers"........ THAT I WOULD REALLY BE AGAINST!!!!!!
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First I heard of this... Our country not able to do this alone? What the hay?
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Consider the Tsunami that hit China. If something similar happened here would you care that the ship that came to pick you out of the flooding was from Russia?
and yes I know some folks would care no matter what, but really, honestly consider your loved ones floating beside you. Is your dislike of these other countries so strong that you would let your family stay in the water instead of accepting this help?
What they are talking about is large scale disaster response. We have been exchanging experts for some time now. It isn't a military thing.
I was actually trying to get in on a trip to Australia last year when their wildfires were going so badly.
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It has nothing to do with my dislike of some countries. It is there motives for helping. In our weakest moment. Too big an opportunity for people who have wanted to end our way of life for a long time.
As for Australia, I'd help too.
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Since I know it is coming here, cause we are a little slow for these things to come to this forum...
I see nothing about Russian Troops, or other things that are being reported... This is thus far a rumor which is being blown out of proportion. People are adding to it their interpretation of what is stated.
Until I see foreign troops I have no concern. Even then, until I see people being hauled off, I have no concern. Don't feed into the hype people.
oh its all over Facebook and the conspiracy sites... surprised I'm the first here to post it...
I think no one has posted about it here because they haven't read into it more than they should. Maybe you need new facebook friends (and to stop reading conspiracy sites). ;)
Have even more fun with your conspiracy-minded friends by showing them this and watching the fireworks fly (we've been doing this for years; I've seen it up close and personal over several years, and I think it's a good idea--it really does "change hearts and minds" at a very high level):
http://www.state.gov/t/pm/65533.htm
"The International Military Education and Training (IMET) program is an instrument of U.S. national security and foreign policy and a key component of U.S. security assistance that provides training and education on a grant basis to students from allied and friendly nations. In addition to improving defense capabilities, IMET facilitates the development of important professional and personal relationships, which have proven to provide U.S. access and influence in a critical sector of society that often plays a pivotal role in supporting, or transitioning to, democratic governments. IMET's traditional purpose of promoting more professional militaries around the world through training has taken on greater importance as an effective means to strengthen military alliances and the international coalition against terrorism.
The objectives of the IMET program are to:
Further the goal of regional stability through effective, mutually beneficial military-to-military relations that culminate in increased understanding and defense cooperation between the U.S. and foreign countries.
Impart skills and knowledge that help participating countries develop new capabilities and better utilize their existing resources.
Provide training and education that augments the capabilities of participant nations' military forces to support combined operations and interoperability with U.S., NATO and regional coalition forces.
Expose foreign military and civilian personnel to the important roles democratic values and internationally recognized human rights can play in governance and military operations.
Training and education provided under the IMET program is professional and non-political, exposing foreign students to U.S. professional military organizations and procedures and the manner in which military organizations function under civilian control. The English language proficiency requirement for many IMET-funded courses establishes an essential baseline of communication skills necessary for students to attend courses. The IMET program exposes students to military justice systems and procedures and promotes the development of strong civil-military relations by showing key military and civilian leaders how to overcome barriers that can exist between armed forces, civilian officials and legislators. In addition, IMET has a positive effect on participants and recipient countries beyond actual training. Exposure to American values, quality instruction and the professionalism of the U.S. military play an important role in the IMET program. Finally, military cooperation is strengthened as foreign militaries improve their knowledge of U.S. military doctrine, strategic planning processes and operational procedures. This cooperation leads to opportunities for military-to-military interaction, information sharing, joint planning and combined force exercises that facilitate interoperability with U.S., NATO, and regional coalition forces."
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The English language proficiency requirement for many IMET-funded courses establishes an essential baseline of communication skills necessary for students to attend courses.
Okay, putting the rest aside, why is it okay to require English when we are training foreign soldiers, but not in our own school system? :o
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I can speak to this pretty well............. When there is a major disaster it is managed by ICS ( Incident Management System). This is a program that pre-defines different jobs so that when shtf you aren't trying to organize food, water, and toilets for the rescuers.
It doesn't matter what the emergency is, the same team, (IMT Incident management team) can come in and run anything. There is a plans department, an operations, logistics, etc. The upper management can go to any type of event, because they don't need to be an expert on how to fix it. You plug the experts in at the operations level, and in plans.
All of this is to say that in this country we have a bunch of Forest Service, BLM, BIA, and other NON MILITARY agencies that would be the ones sent to Russia, Australia or wherever. *And have been going and helping for YEARS, especially for wildfires.
But in other countries some of these disaster experts are managed under the military.
I too am not a fan of Russian military "troops" coming into the U.S., but I don't think this is what they are saying. What they are looking at is getting the disaster experts from each country to work together and share information to improve our ability to work together.
WE of all people believe that at some point the Sh!t will hit the Fan, so let's put that in context of a major nuclear accident at a power plant. If there was radiation and death flowing freely, and we have experts coming in from wherever to help, it could only be a good thing.
Now, U.N. "peacekeepers"........ THAT I WOULD REALLY BE AGAINST!!!!!!
Good post.
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The English language proficiency requirement for many IMET-funded courses establishes an essential baseline of communication skills necessary for students to attend courses.
Okay, putting the rest aside, why is it okay to require English when we are training foreign soldiers, but not in our own school system? :o
lol.
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My husband went through a year long school at Quantico for higher level military officers in 2009. There were lots of foreign officers going through it as well. There were hundreds going through it in any given year, but each section had about a dozen students. One guy in my husband's section was a high-ranking military officer from Saudi Arabia. It was really interesting to hear from my husband how this guy's attitudes changed as he became more familiar with reality. Back in SA, he and his wife had been told that it would be best to just go to school and go back home and have very little to do with the Americans because he wouldn't be treated well. He was very surprised to find how well he and his family were treated and welcomed with opened arms. By the end of the year he went back to SA with a completely changed view of Americans and American society, as well as a much better understanding of how the American social, political and military system worked. For instance, he couldn't figure out why Americans were concerned with taxes until it was explained to him that the *people* pay the taxes--something that is paid for by oil revenues in his country.
My husband went to another school at the Naval Post Graduate School in 2001-3. It was amazing being surrounded by military officers and their families from all over the world. There were people from Russia, Germany, Poland, Turkey, the Ukraine, Scan countries, the UK, Australia, Singapore, the ROK, Greece, Mexico, South America, Africa, etc. We have people going through all kinds of schools here in the US where they are learning about how the US military works.
There is a point to all of this--fostering international cooperation and teaching people in other countries how the American military works (and we send our people to do the same in other countries). I don't see any difference between this and what happens every day with world-wide health concerns and the proposed emergency management exchanges.
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Guess I'm not a "Coexist" kind of guy.
I have enough trouble trusting many Americans.
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the alex jones tin hat guys are spreading this on the net... even made a few main stream net media outlets... but the reality here is just that.. emergancy training not troops... last year the russians had a groupe of troops that were doing some training with the green berets it was a share share kinda thing.. nothing unusall... just hype and missinformation..
now like Myakka said UN Blue hats thats another issue...
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Guess I'm not a "Coexist" kind of guy.
I have enough trouble trusting many Americans.
I draw the line at Satanists myself ^-^
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The idea of subject matter experts helping globaly is pretty standard. The russians have expertise in mine collapse, and I think we are ahead of everyone in wildfire suppression.
Just fyi, I took a screen shot from another forum for US wildfire fighters. If it will attach you will see how they are already working around the world