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General Forum => General Discussion => : The Expendable September 06, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
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Well, I am going to go out on a limb here and admit something to you all... Before I say this let me preface it by saying I am married with children, I am at least as conservative as most of you, and I am a life-long Republican, except for my first two years as a registered voter, when I was young, rebellious and stupid and registered Democrat.
OK, here's my admission... I don't care one bit if someone is a homosexual. It doesn't affect me and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Would I go camping with a homosexual? Sure I would. It wouldn't bother me at all. Do I welcome homosexuals to this forum to talk about prepping? Of course I do!
I say all of this because there have been a few comments made lately on the forum about homosexuals. I know that most of them are in jest, and I do not want to be a buzzkill (this time).
Now, do I approve of "Gay Days" at Disney World? No, for the same reason I do not approve of the Latin Emmy Awards or the United Negro College Fund. But would I go to Disney World with gay friends? Yep.
And now for the obligatory "some of my best friends are gay" statement... well, it's true. I do have some gay friends. But I will tell you something even more shocking...
Some of my best friends are... DEMOCRATS! :o
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I know and respect a number of Gay men and women, When SHTF happens I would be proud to have them on my team, But I dispise Democrats, They are an abomination. ^-^
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... But I dispise Democrats, They are an abomination. ^-^
I think it actually says that in the Bible. JUST KIDDING, ALL YOU DEMOCRATS! I love ya, really! ;D
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Ex, you are absolutely right, and I am ashamed of myself for calling the woman a HeShe. I was just grossed out my the canned meat.
I too have friends that are gay, and I HAVE camped with them. I also have a nephew that is gay, and I have spent the night at his house, and he and his partner at mine. Did I trust them with my kids when they were little? Of course. They aren't child molesters!!!
For those of you that think gays CHOOSE to be gay, THINK ABOUT THAT! Who would want to live such a hard life with people like you in it!? Why do you think so many try to "pass"? Because its easier. Even if they are miserable
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Ex, you are absolutely right, and I am ashamed of myself for calling the woman a HeShe. I was just grossed out my the canned meat.
I too have friends that are gay, and I HAVE camped with them. I also have a nephew that is gay, and I have spent the night at his house, and he and his partner at mine. Did I trust them with my kids when they were little? Of course. They aren't child molesters!!!
For those of you that think gays CHOOSE to be gay, THINK ABOUT THAT! Who would want to live such a hard life with people like you in it!? Why do you think so many try to "pass"? Because its easier. Even if they are miserable
I didn't post this to make anyone feel ashamed. I make a few questionable comments from time to time... believe it or not ;) ... but most gay people I have known make the same jokes. I dunno, if there are any gay preppers out there I would not want them to feel excluded from this great resource of information we have here. I know some people will disagree with me on this, because of religious ideology or whatever, and that's fine too. I am not trying to change anyone's mind here. I was just speaking for myself.
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i really dont think that the comments here about peoples sexuality were or have i read them to be deragatorry... to me everybody here for everything gets bashed the same..... OP's did i say that.... i mean everybody is always respectful here... :-\...... ddd
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I used to be the disginated streight guy for a group of gay military women. I got to go to all the dinning out dinners and the parties later. I had the best times of my life whith those girls. And it helped my rep to no end to be seen everynight with a different woman, plus to fool the people who let their curisity get the better of them the girls would sleep on my couch and some times their girlfriend would come over and I would sleep on the couch, you ought to have seen the looks I got from the guys when I was seen kissing two women goodbye on the front steps of my quarters at 6 AM ;D
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Well, I had to think about this. To me personally i really do not want to be around them. I feel it is just not right. I know they have the RIGHT to be anything they want to be and I have the right not to like it. Call me closed minded, old fashioned or whatever, but it ain't right.
Now in a SHTF situation I would judge it on a case by case basis.
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Would I go camping with a homosexual?
Sure I would.
You obviously missed the main- "point"
behind Deliverance. ^-^
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I used to be the disginated streight guy for a group of gay military women. I got to go to all the dinning out dinners and the parties later. I had the best times of my life whith those girls. And it helped my rep to no end to be seen everynight with a different woman, plus to fool the people who let their curisity get the better of them the girls would sleep on my couch and some times their girlfriend would come over and I would sleep on the couch, you ought to have seen the looks I got from the guys when I was seen kissing two women goodbye on the front steps of my quarters at 6 AM ;D
Been there done that. ;D
Best waist gunner I ever served with and trusted with my life to was Gay , this was back in the mid 60's.Never had a problem, good man to have your back. ^-^
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Would I go camping with a homosexual?
Sure I would.
You obviously missed the main- "point"
behind Deliverance. ^-^
"Thisun's got a real purty mouth. SQUEAL LIKE A PIGGY!"
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Ex, you are absolutely right, and I am ashamed of myself for calling the woman a HeShe. I was just grossed out my the canned meat.
I too have friends that are gay, and I HAVE camped with them. I also have a nephew that is gay, and I have spent the night at his house, and he and his partner at mine. Did I trust them with my kids when they were little? Of course. They aren't child molesters!!!
For those of you that think gays CHOOSE to be gay, THINK ABOUT THAT! Who would want to live such a hard life with people like you in it!? Why do you think so many try to "pass"? Because its easier. Even if they are miserable
I didn't post this to make anyone feel ashamed. I make a few questionable comments from time to time... believe it or not ;) ... but most gay people I have known make the same jokes. I dunno, if there are any gay preppers out there I would not want them to feel excluded from this great resource of information we have here. I know some people will disagree with me on this, because of religious ideology or whatever, and that's fine too. I am not trying to change anyone's mind here. I was just speaking for myself.
Well I am ashamed of myself because I don't like it when others make fun of ANYBODY for ANY reason. Oh, I don't mean just poke fun, I can take that. Its the ones that think they are better than everyone else because....yada yada...
As for the religious... stepping away from that one too. I have my beliefs, and everyone else is welcome to theirs, just don't push it on me, and I will not push mine on them. So yeah, I guess I am just speaking for myself too. I have people in my life that feel totally different than I do. We just avoid that topic, real simple. :D
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For years I have been anti gay to the point of being called Homophobic and I was proud of it! Ten years ago I even call up a local radio station and put my two cents in after they were talking about being gay was OK, Well it was on air... I had my 15 sec of fame... or should I say 20mins :-[ The point that I was trying to make was. If you are gay you are. But don't push it on to our kids as if it's a "TRENDY" thing to do and just keep it in the closet. Then I started to get into the the propagation aspect and things turned... as in turn off! ;)
I take a different stand on it now and I'm more tolerant and I now lean toward what The Expendable is saying. Will I watch Broke Back Mountain? Not HELL NO but... just no thanks. ;)
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Tinkerman still wants to kick my butt for tricking him in to watching Broke Back Mountain. I think it is a good chick flick, but there were parts I wish I hadn't seen. I don't need details, I just believe in live and let live.
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Sorry but I do not accept it as something I want near me or my family. Everyone has the right to live as they please, I have no prob with that. But, I also reserve the right to think it is a sinful way to live and to teach my children that the natural order in life and intimate companionship involves a man and a woman.
I will not turn my back on someone in need or anything like that based on their preference, I just shield my family from it and teach them my values. The word "homophobic" kind of irritates me because it infers that someone has a "condition" or a diagnosed fear of something. I am not afraid of it, and I know several homosexuals who I would call acquaintances...doesn't mean I embrace the lifestyle. Call me crazy.
DT
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Oh come on Ex. Ya just can't throw a fast ball over the plate and not expect the Chief to hit it out of the park. I just got out of being in trouble. Bildo, Fred pleaze erase this thread. it is gonna be Ex's fault if I say anything... OK Chief just walk away from the computer... Walk away.. Stop thinking, stop thinking
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WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
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WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Ohhhhhhh not the WWJD, ya had to throw that out Willie. All right then, I will refrain, but it was gonna be funny. I got to hold off until I can build up some good boy points. Scoot Evil Angel on my left hand shoulder, The Chief has to be good, and can't say Homo, fag, or anything like that. No gay Jokes for the Chief. :(
I hope I don't become boring, being good all the time is no fun... :P
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Chief, you will never be boring(I hope).
Ok, I guess I'm somewhere in the middle, on this one. Do know some gay people, who I trust and like. I have to admit I sometimes keep them at arms length. Want my children to learn that God meant it to be a man and a woman.
When the SHTF, it WILL be a case by case basis. But then, all of our life will be like that, and we will have to make some choices that we would never consider now.
Kodiak
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I saw a bumper sticker that said. (Help support gay men, It leaves more single women for me to choose from.)
I read that, told me wife to read it.. She laughed. As we passed him on on the left my wife looked down at him in the car and said, " Holy crap, it dont matter how many women he has to choose from, hes hidious looking and no woman would want him, they would go gay themselves. " lol
I laughed so hard and couldnt stop laughing.
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Shazammmm.. I got it. I am not gonna say anything derogatory about gay people. All I am gonna do is explain Ex's position to you people, Chief style.. :D Here we goooo....
I know that this thread might be a little queer, but the Ex just wants to explain something to you. That he has got his Homosexual friends Back as well as they got his back. That he would never want to be a big pain in the butt to them, as well as they to him. That he might of smoked a Fag with them know and again, by the way fag is British slang for cigarette, Butt he would bend over backwords for them. I am sure they would bend over backwords for him also, and he would give it all he could to them.
Ya see he wants them to be (HOMOVIVALISTS) cuz in the Paw he knows they will be all over his 6. Yes he knows that he might not be as tight with them as he once was, but he is always straight up with them.
So I am Happy that EX feels Gay in his heart for posting this. (happy). If I know the man we call EX he will stand ROCK SOLID behind his Homosexual friends, and always feel that gayness in his heart towards them.
So see I hope the Chief has explained to you Ex's Position on his Homosexual friends. Cuz they're his Butties.
No need to thank me Ex. Cuz I'm there for ya Butt... Uhhh... Friend.. :D Chief...
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Thanks Chief!! I was really trying to figure out his position. ;D
FLPrepper
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I have no words.
kodiak
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Sorry but I do not accept it as something I want near me or my family. Everyone has the right to live as they please, I have no prob with that. But, I also reserve the right to think it is a sinful way to live and to teach my children that the natural order in life and intimate companionship involves a man and a woman.
I will not turn my back on someone in need or anything like that based on their preference, I just shield my family from it and teach them my values. The word "homophobic" kind of irritates me because it infers that someone has a "condition" or a diagnosed fear of something. I am not afraid of it, and I know several homosexuals who I would call acquaintances...doesn't mean I embrace the lifestyle. Call me crazy.
DT
I agree 100%!!
Matt
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Shazammmm.. I got it. I am not gonna say anything derogatory about gay people. All I am gonna do is explain Ex's position to you people, Chief style.. :D Here we goooo....
I know that this thread might be a little queer, but the Ex just wants to explain something to you. That he has got his Homosexual friends Back as well as they got his back. That he would never want to be a big pain in the butt to them, as well as they to him. That he might of smoked a Fag with them know and again, by the way fag is British slang for cigarette, Butt he would bend over backwords for them. I am sure they would bend over backwords for him also, and he would give it all he could to them.
Ya see he wants them to be (HOMOVIVALISTS) cuz in the Paw he knows they will be all over his 6. Yes he knows that he might not be as tight with them as he once was, but he is always straight up with them.
So I am Happy that EX feels Gay in his heart for posting this. (happy). If I know the man we call EX he will stand ROCK SOLID behind his Homosexual friends, and always feel that gayness in his heart towards them.
So see I hope the Chief has explained to you Ex's Position on his Homosexual friends. Cuz they're his Butties.
No need to thank me Ex. Cuz I'm there for ya Butt... Uhhh... Friend.. :D Chief...
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Chief, I can't hardly type as I am wiping the tears from my eyes laughing so hard.
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Sorry but I do not accept it as something I want near me or my family. Everyone has the right to live as they please, I have no prob with that. But, I also reserve the right to think it is a sinful way to live and to teach my children that the natural order in life and intimate companionship involves a man and a woman.
I will not turn my back on someone in need or anything like that based on their preference, I just shield my family from it and teach them my values. The word "homophobic" kind of irritates me because it infers that someone has a "condition" or a diagnosed fear of something. I am not afraid of it, and I know several homosexuals who I would call acquaintances...doesn't mean I embrace the lifestyle. Call me crazy.
DT
I agree 100%!!
Matt
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I agree with DT and GP.
And what would Jesus do? He would love them certainly. But he would fervently tell them to their face that they are sinning against God, and they must change their ways or they would never see His face in Heaven. He would not condone their behavior and tell them it's okay because they were born that way.
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OK, I was not going to go here, but I guess I will now. And once again, I am probably going to make a lot of people mad at me. If you disagree with me, that's OK. I will add a few things to my original disclaimer about being married with children, about being conservative and an almost lifelong Republican. I will also say now that I was raised as a Southern Baptist, married a Catholic, and attended church for many years in a Pentecostal church. I will also say that I probably know scripture better than a lot of you.
That being said, I know where in the Bible it says that homosexuals are an abomination. I also know that the Bible is a collection of ancient writings that were assembled by men. There are many other holy writings that were left out of the Bible. Why did these men choose certain writings to include and not others? Well, you can believe that politics played a part in their decision. You can also believe that God himself directed these men to include some writings and leave out others. I am not here to argue that point. I will say to everyone who reads the part of the Bible that says homosexuals are an abomination and uses that to shun gays and lesbians is a hypocrite! Yes, I said it! And before I get hate mail, let me explain...
Have any of you who shuns homosexuals ever eaten shellfish or catfish? That is an abomination (Lev. 11:10).
Have any of you ever worked on a Saturday? That is a sin punishable by death (Exodus 35:2).
What about your raised bed gardens? Hopefully you are not planting two different crops. If you are, then you are sinning (Lev. 19:19)
While you're at it, if you wear a cotton/polyester blend t-shirt, you are sinning against the Lord. When you plant a fruit tree, if you eat the fruit within the first three years, you are sinning against the Lord. If you harvest your gardens all the way to the edge, you are sinning. You're supposed to leave the fruit of your crop around the border of your garden for poor people to harvest. Did you know that?
But while all of these things are an abomination, you are permitted to sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7). Now that I think about it, you are allowed to own slaves from neighboring nations. I guess Canadians and Mexicans, right (Lev. 25:44)?
OK, so all of these things are in the Old Testament, right? But God never changes. The New Testament says so in several places. And yeah, it says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. But do you know who else will not enter? Liars. Have you ever told a lie? Ouch! Well, liars are fryers!
Here is my point, while you are condemning homosexuals, if you do not condemn liars and drunks, if you do not stone women to death who commit adultery, if you do any work on a Saturday, then you are breaking God's UNCHANGING Holy Word! You are living in sin! Or is it OK to pick and choose which of God's commandments you will follow?
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Sorry, one more thing... if you just don't like gays and lesbians for whatever reason, that's fine. If you just have a moral objection to it, that's your decision. I'm not trying to bust your chops. But on the other hand if you are using the Bible to justify your dislike, then you need to be consistent and follow ALL of God's Holy Word. Those that pick and choose scripture were the ones I was speaking to.
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I figure I need to worry about my afterlife more than someone else's, Something about judge not that ye shall not be judge,
Or as a great NCO once told me, " morality, Hell sir, thats above my pay grade"
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I figure I need to worry about my afterlife more than someone else's, Something about judge not that ye shall not be judge,
Or as a great NCO once told me, " morality, Hell sir, thats above my pay grade"
Well stated, boon.
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I am taking my Rainbow and going home :(
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And yeah, it says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. But do you know who else will not enter? Liars. Have you ever told a lie? Ouch!
True, but when I told a lie in my younger years, I asked for forgiveness and did not do it again. ;)
Here is my point, while you are condemning homosexuals, if you do not condemn liars and drunks, if you do not stone women to death who commit adultery, if you do any work on a Saturday, then you are breaking God's UNCHANGING Holy Word! You are living in sin! Or is it OK to pick and choose which of God's commandments you will follow?
EX, I did not read where anyone here on this thread has condemned them. God is the only one to condemn and he will be their judge. And I agree, all of us should clean up our own back yard before we judge others. But we also can choose who we associate with. By choosing not to associate with them, and by choosing to teach our children that homosexuality is a sin, does not mean we are condeming them. I also taught my children that it's a sin to lie. I'm a libertarian when comes to these subjects. If someone wants to be queer, that's fine with me as long they keep it out of my face and my children's face. I don't go around bragging about being heterosexual, so neither should they be advertising their sexual preference. The ones that I protest are the ones at functions like gay pride parades. But that is not condemnation.
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I ain't apologizing for calling a fruit a fruit. Gays don't bother me at all. Lesbians don't bother me either. (I actually likes them, the pretty ones anyways). A 6'5" guy in a dress bothers me.
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Oh and by the way EX, I was raised Church of Christ, then Pentacostal early adulthood, and then S. Baptist. I don't profess to be any of those though....I'm just a regular ole recovering sinner who is a Christian. Oh yes, I married a Catholic girl too and converted her. ;D
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And yeah, it says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of Heaven. But do you know who else will not enter? Liars. Have you ever told a lie? Ouch!
True, but when I told a lie in my younger years, I asked for forgiveness and did not do it again. ;)
Here is my point, while you are condemning homosexuals, if you do not condemn liars and drunks, if you do not stone women to death who commit adultery, if you do any work on a Saturday, then you are breaking God's UNCHANGING Holy Word! You are living in sin! Or is it OK to pick and choose which of God's commandments you will follow?
EX, I did not read where anyone here on this thread has condemned them. God is the only one to condemn and he will be their judge. And I agree, all of us should clean up our own back yard before we judge others. But we also can choose who we associate with. By choosing not to associate with them, and by choosing to teach our children that homosexuality is a sin, does not mean we are condeming them. I also taught my children that it's a sin to lie. I'm a libertarian when comes to these subjects. If someone wants to be queer, that's fine with me as long they keep it out of my face and my children's face. I don't go around bragging about being heterosexual, so neither should they be advertising their sexual preference. The ones that I protest are the ones at functions like gay pride parades. But that is not condemnation.
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I agree with you 100%. I have a real problem when gays hang all over each other in public, but I have a problem when straights do that too. And OK, you got me, I guess "condemn" was a bit of a strong word. I take that back. I guess my point is that if you are going to take some commandments in the Bible as literal, where do you draw the line? If God truly never changes, then are we going to start stoning false prophets and disrespectful children? I don't speak for God, and I don't claim to know the mind of God. But yeah, you're right, only God should judge.
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Oh and by the way EX, I was raised Church of Christ, then Pentacostal early adulthood, and then S. Baptist. I don't profess to be any of those though....I'm just a regular ole recovering sinner who is a Christian. Oh yes, I married a Catholic girl too and converted her. ;D
Ha! City Girl was a Catholic girl when we got married! :) We got married in a Catholic church, but did not have the mass. All her Catholic relatives were on one side and all my Southern Baptist relatives were on the other side!
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I'm lapsed Catholic and Mama Mia is converting to Catholic so she can also someday be a lapsed Catholic. For now though she likes Church. No wonder, they don't make them kneel anymore.
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I got a question, since when is it wrong to not agree with someone. I am sorry but politically correction is BS. I am not saying if this topic is right or wrong, but when you condemn someone who is against homosexuals does that not make you a bigot against them. and there beliefs?
I see all these people yell and complain and pull that righteousness attitude against the people they yell as being righteous. In reality they are just as closed minded because they give no room for others to believe there beliefs. Last time I checked You can believe anything ya want. Unless you go against the Politically Correct, then your a racist hick. This is the same premise as black people saying they can not be racist, All BS..... Just my opinion, I am sure I am wrong though, cuz I do not sign up for the politically correct news letter..
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Chief, you are right. Many liberal groups use the political correctness crap to make us look like bigots and racists to shut us up. The liberal media is the behind them 100%. The terrorists will use it against us too as they continue to multiply here in our country.
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The liberal media is the behind them 100%. The terrorists will use it against us too as they continue to multiply here in our country.
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That is why I gave up the television, They throw there agenda out, and now I even hear Republicans jumping on board with liberal talking points. incrementalization. They do not have to change all of your thinking. Just have to change 1 talking point at a time.. Yesterdays Democrats, becomes today's Republicans.
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I got a question, since when is it wrong to not agree with someone. I am sorry but politically correction is BS. I am not saying if this topic is right or wrong, but when you condemn someone who is against homosexuals does that not make you a bigot against them. and there beliefs?
I see all these people yell and complain and pull that righteousness attitude against the people they yell as being righteous. In reality they are just as closed minded because they give no room for others to believe there beliefs. Last time I checked You can believe anything ya want. Unless you go against the Politically Correct, then your a racist hick. This is the same premise as black people saying they can not be racist, All BS..... Just my opinion, I am sure I am wrong though, cuz I do not sign up for the politically correct news letter..
Now Chief, you KNOW that I don't care if someone disagrees with me, right? And you KNOW that I am not condemning anyone who is against homosexuals, right? I mean, you're just saying those things to get a laugh, right? Because if you read my posts, I say:
... if you just don't like gays and lesbians for whatever reason, that's fine. If you just have a moral objection to it, that's your decision. I'm not trying to bust your chops. ...
And I also say:
... I know some people will disagree with me on this, because of religious ideology or whatever, and that's fine too. I am not trying to change anyone's mind here. I was just speaking for myself.
I was just trying to follow my buddy Chief's good advice. I read his post the other day about how he went to the defense of those who were being bullied and harassed. Here's what he said:
Good conversation.. well I want to address PK, and about sticking up for that Girl. let me tell ya a little about my past. When I was in High School, I liked sports, but hung out with the heavy metal Crowd, who also liked to brawl. So I hung with a lot of different people. One thing that always bugged me was when the So Called strong would pick on the So Called weak. I am not talking name calling names or teasing, unless it got excessive, but the physical abuse. Pushing, punching, knocking into lockers. it drove me nuts. One day I was a freshmen, came around a corner to see 2 juniors beaten the tar out of a Nerd. why as I found out later, cuz they could. No other reason for it. What really shocked me was all the people just watching looking on scared. Some where his friends that outnumbered the 2 bullies, as well as the crowd. Well I stepped in and went to kicking some bully ass. Why cuz I hate unfair fights, and I hate Group think mentality. The first, being the bullies teaming up to beat the Nerd kid, Second, the group think of all those sheeple just watching those 2, and doing nothing. I continued doing that the rest of my High School life as well as into my Adult life. I guess even before High School. Ya know what, a lot of the people I stuck up for, and a couple of times got my Ass kicked for didn't even really care either. I did not care though cuz I was not doing it for them. I was doing it cuz it was right. I was told something when i was young, by my Grandfather, "Chief if ya don't stand up for something you will fall for anything". That saying goes to a heart of a lot of our probelms, and I have remembered it since.
OK lets go back about 6 months ago. A member here got into some trouble. he and another member got into it, and the 2 members where kicked off for it. I felt that the one, who was probably the one who was wrong, cuz he was going beyond debating and getting personal, still had a lot of people I felt against him. I also thought that they did not understand his ruff exterior and so the Chief went to bat for him. he posted a thing about Freedom of Speech thread, that I came in and stuck up for him the night he got kicked off. I wrote Man Panties thread for him. I also wrote where is my Irish Bro thread when he did not come back right away. Cuz I though the Forum was against him. Ya know who that guy was, it was PK, he was that guy. I came to bat for him when it was not a popular thing to do. I was the one that cared.
Fast forward to a month ago. That same person I stuck up for, then becomes the bully, and a lot of people jumped into Group Think and jumped on a new member, who happens to be women. led by the very same person who 6 months ago was in Her position, and in her shoes. So how would you people feel, a little pissed?
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And I agree 100% with that. What I didn't know was that if the weaker people being picked on are gay, that makes it OK to pick on them. Sorry, I must have missed that part of your post. :-\
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Oh, and as far as what would Jesus do? Well, Jesus befriended the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the lepers... all of the types of people who were shunned by "polite" society. Did it mean he condoned their behavior? No. Did he call them filthy whores, or mock them? No. Did he treat them with kindness and respect? Yes. He simply treated them as human beings. He told us to do unto others as we would have them do unto us, and he led by example.
If I am wrong in anything I have said, someone let me know.
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Homosexuality is wrong. It is an abomination unto God.
With that said, I will say this also. You must hate the sin, not the sinner.
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Okay boys, I'm been a studying on this topic. Looks to me like we done beat this poor horse to death.
My personal feelings on this are it's wrong but is not me they'll have to answer to in the end.
And if they can grab a little happiness in this poor miserable world good on them.
Now, if after the apocalypse, two people show up at Fort Apache, well armed, and technically and tactically proficient I will welcome them and not care whether they are boy and boy, girl and girl, or any other combination you can think up b because after S HTF we are going to be way too busy to worry about who sleeps with who.
The name of this game is survival not revival.
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Wow, when I read something and debate someone I just do it on the fly. I don't go digging up other posts and then try to put words into there mouths. If ya read my post what Ex is doing is trying to put words in my mouth. He is taking something I posted somewhere else and using it against me. Sound familiar, like the liberal media does to Republicans all the time. See if he did understand that post then he would of take in the true meaning of that, and that is, if you do not stand for something you will fall for everything. How true that is sounding now. As for attacking the weak, well 20 years ago you could get away with that argument Ex, but today Homosexuals have Govt. Media. Internet and also other “Christians” sticking up for them, telling conservative Christians that they are wrong for believing like they do. I think that I am standing up for the weaker side on this. That was not my point in the post though, it was standing up for what YOU believe in and sticking to it. No matter what that means. We are in the Minority. And we will have debates like this, where you will have to Stand for something, and that something is what you decide, not what others try to put in your mouth, to prove themselves right. Just wait till Johnny comes home and says you are wrong if you say anything bad against Muslims, or what the powers that be deem bad. Just take Homosexuality and put Muslim in its place. Again does this not sound like what the left is saying against us now on the Muslim issue.
Oh and for the Tax Collector and Prostitute, they changed there ways they did not keep on doing the sin. You left that part out EX.
Now I got science on my side. this is where I debunk Neil Borte’s talking point, “Born Gay, and prove homosexuality is not correct according to science. Now homosexual people can not reproduce. So if you can not reproduce then if you where a Homosexual society your species would die off. So then you can not be born that way, because Homosexuality is a bad trait according to science, so it would be bred out of us, not increase. Instead you have more people that or homosexual, why, because you have people in this world that want to push the Homosexual cause, again people political correctness. Who are those people Media, Govt, The internet, and yes even other Christians. Because in science bad traits go away, they do not increase, so even science backs this up.
I am sure that they will say it is not true, and not believe this science though. It is the liberal way, to discredit anything that debunks them. You can say they would try to put there own laws into the laws of science.
So people we need to stand for something, or we will fall for everything. Even if you believe in God or Science, look with your own eyes and heart, due not let the liberal media brainwash you. I am so glad I disconnected my TV, makes you see things with out liberal colored media glasses on.
I’m done with this debate. Taking someone's words and twisting them is not a true debate. I said my peace and I am done.
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Well, Chief, old friend, since you are done I guess I will have the last word. First of all, I did not put any words in your mouth. That is exactly why I quoted your other post, so I would get your words exactly right. That is not putting words in your mouth and using them against you. But comparing me to the liberal media is a nice touch.
If I put "Muslim" in the place of "homosexual", my argument would be the same. As others have stated, hate the sin, love the sinner. I may disagree with homosexuality, but that does not mean I feel right to call them names or mock them. Likewise, I do not agree with many aspects of Islam, but I am not going to go down to the local mosque and shout slurs at Muslims. When I go through the checkout line at Walmart, and there is a Muslim cashier, I am still going to be friendly. I am not going to go stand in another line just so I don't have to deal with a Muslim. Muslims, Christians, homosexuals, and even Democrats are people and deserve courteous treatment, even if I disagree with them.
And you are right, the tax collector and the prostitute repented, but that was AFTER their encounter with Jesus. When Jesus was hanging out with them, they were regular old sinners, just like me. Now if Jesus had called them names and made fun of them, do you think they would have repented? Hmm... makes you wonder.
As far as science goes, I'm sorry, friend, but you are wrong. Have you ever heard of the Second Law of Thermodynamics? It states that a closed system will deteriorate from order to chaos. Things decay. And it happens in genetics as well. If your statement about bad traits going away were true, then no child would ever be born with a terminal illness. But there are children born with birth defects that are not carried by either parent all the time. How does that happen? Oh, and where do you get that homosexuals can not reproduce anyway? I don't know what school you went to that taught that, but there are lots of homosexuals that are parents.
I'm kinda sorry I ever posted this thread. I should have kept it to myself. But I think that boon said it best in the post above yours...
Okay boys, I'm been a studying on this topic. Looks to me like we done beat this poor horse to death.
My personal feelings on this are it's wrong but is not me they'll have to answer to in the end.
And if they can grab a little happiness in this poor miserable world good on them.
Now, if after the apocalypse, two people show up at Fort Apache, well armed, and technically and tactically proficient I will welcome them and not care whether they are boy and boy, girl and girl, or any other combination you can think up b because after S HTF we are going to be way too busy to worry about who sleeps with who.
The name of this game is survival not revival.
Amen to that.
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Does my and Sentry's bromance mean we're Homosexual Preppers?? Because if lovin' him is wrong, I don't wanna be right!!
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Lord I hope you are Homosexual, Because I sure hope you two don't reproduce
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Too late. He's got two and I'm tryin' to talk Mama Mia into our second. Doesn't mean we still can't be "special" friends.
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Too late. He's got two and I'm tryin' to talk Mama Mia into our second. Doesn't mean we still can't be "special" friends.
No, No, No. I am not worried about you two outcrossing, If you reproduce with your women the chances are 50/50 the child will inherit at least some of her genes, I am concerned about mixing you guys genes. ;D
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Too late. He's got two and I'm tryin' to talk Mama Mia into our second. Doesn't mean we still can't be "special" friends.
Take Me Home NOW, LORD JESUS !
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OK guy and gals I got a confession to make. I was playing the other side with EX. I am sorry Ex can you forgive me. I mean come on I am a libertarian. I grew up with a gay uncle. I'm am really middle of the road on this, really don't care. Sorry EX just wanted to test out a theory .Can you forgive me. :D I will explain. Since my last flame out I wanted to test something. I needed someone to debate me though. So when Ex presented this, and no one really would get into a debate with him, I decided to play the other side. I really think this is one of those topics that you will never change anyones mind, so perfect to test some things, plus Ex is a excellent debater. This is what I was looking for. I also wanted to see if starting a group, what will you need to look for. I had a theory that one criteria was, you had to have more like minded people.
1. When does a debate become a flame out.
2. in the posting, what is the kind of posting to where things start to get crazy, or on the edge of flame out territory.
3. Would things like religion, and political standings, and social issues have an effect on Paw group.
the first one I was wanting to try, because my last Flame out got me thinking. how to debate and not get into it. Well I think on the internet, it is hard. I think because you can not read that person, and you can not get a vibe you can face to face from that person, you put your own spin on things. Plus because I was trying to put a little to much into it, I think I flubbed a littel in a true debate. Plus in personyou tend to be more civil. I do not think me and Ex flammed out. I think we where getting close though that is whyii ended it. I mean come on me end a debate. i will debate to the end of time, as well as i am sure Ex would. Again thougb i was not truly debating, so didn't want to go on and on.
Second point is, the length of a post. Short is truly sweet in a debate. When you start quoting people and make your posts longer, I think you start getting into wehre you start losing your effectiveness. and people start getting upset with you. You become a know it all, and then people just turn themselves off to you. Then you lose the debate, or just becomes a stand still. That is then where the envelope gets pushed, because you are trying to push that point, and you up the anty. I think short answers are best. Like Boon Willie and the other people. plus just post one response and be done. subjects like this are just to hot and will not be settled.
The third one is the little issues like this could ruin a group. if me and EX where in a group. and this came up, this could ruin a group. You could have two people that would then draw up sides and basically split the group. in a Paw that would not be good. It could even be deadly. So I definitely believe that you need to be of like mind. The little things could be your end. you also need to talk about these things before Paw
So again Ex I am sorry. I saw this as a hot topic that really was not going anywhere, so I wanted to test something. I started teasing ya and then engaged ya just to play the other side so I could test these three theories out. I never let it get to flame out statues though. I hope you are not mad at me. You where my experiment. Like I said I am libertarian that grew up with a gay Uncle Jimmy. I really had no dog in this hunt. Can you forgive me. If you are mad I understand. I really do not believe that hardcore about this issue. I hope no one is mad at Ex either. I pushed him to where he normally would not say all that he did. Plus I cold sense, but not sure, I was getting him a little hot under the collier, that is why i stopped the debate. I do not want to ruin my friendship with him.
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I have a question for ya Cheif. I'm gonna quote myself from page one.
As for the religious... stepping away from that one too. I have my beliefs, and everyone else is welcome to theirs, just don't push it on me, and I will not push mine on them. So yeah, I guess I am just speaking for myself too. I have people in my life that feel totally different than I do. We just avoid that topic, real simple.
Why can't this work in a PAW?
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I have a question for ya Cheif. I'm gonna quote myself from page one.
As for the religious... stepping away from that one too. I have my beliefs, and everyone else is welcome to theirs, just don't push it on me, and I will not push mine on them. So yeah, I guess I am just speaking for myself too. I have people in my life that feel totally different than I do. We just avoid that topic, real simple.
Why can't this work in a PAW?
Just read my post this morning sorry so messy, agian sorry to the Ex for not telling him I was playing the other side, but my experiment would not work right if you are both on it.
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posted accidental. Fat fingers. Pet the reason that you need to be more of a in line group is because, you will be a family, and in most families they think alike. You might have a black sheep, but with that black sheep there is strife. Lets take religion, because that is a little bit more broad subject then Homosexuality.
Say we have 6 families, well 1 is not religious, the others are. Now you go thru a Paw, where you will have tempers fly, and emotions running high, You will also be working like you have never worked before in your life and in each others lives day in and day out . Well things will be said, or under lining uneasiness will be felt by the whole group, or just escape goats. In the outside world we can just go to our houses, and you are not always in the other person face. In Paw where are you gonna go. Ya just can't go back to your home. You will not just see that person once in awhile. You will see that person all the time. So if one family is not religious there is one thing they do not fit into a group, and becomes a problem. You can reverse it for 5 that don't believe and 1 that does. Strife will be a daily occurrence. Like mindedness becomes very important.
Just like race, in Paw you will have black with blacks, whites with whites, Mexicans with Mexicans. You can even go with thugs with thugs, good guys (us) with good guys. People with the most characteristics, will stick together. Human nature is human nature, you can not get around it. That is why in the Army tries to strip ya down, to make you a cohesive force. Trying to get rid of as much baggage as they can. Even they can not get rid of it all, because it is something in us, part of our emotional make up. We are who we are.
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Ahh Cheif, you just had to bring religion into it didn't cha? That is a good thing though.
Ok, time for some skeletons to come out of my closet. As I said in one of my earlier posts, I have my beliefs, and other people in my life have theirs. I respect theirs, as they respect mine. We simply don't discuss it, we know where we stand and its ok. It varies so far in difference that someone I love very much believes in witch craft, and I have some that I love very dearly that are very staunch Christians. As I also said, as long as no one tries to push it onto the other then all is well.
I also have a nephew that is gay, along with a brother who hates gays. They can get along, because one, they are family, two because they don't discuss their private lives.
My point is, why can't more people have an open enough mind to accept this? No two people are exactly alike, therefore if you have a group of 6 families there will be differing opinions, that is a given.
Maybe I am just an acception?
I will say this, when I lived down here with my ex husband I seen things were going south with our marriage. He had lost his high paying job, and hated the one he got after it. I was making more money than him, plus had benefits for the whole family. I didn't realize it at the time, but his male ego couldn't stand that.
I decided if my marriage was going to break up, I wanted a support system, so we moved back to In. (in the middle of Feb) We had to stay with my sister and brother in law for 3 long months. As much as I love them it was hard. (Feb, March & April it is to cold to get out of the house much) Mainly because of the privacy issue, even though we had the entire basement to ourselves. We could still hear them moving around upstairs, and I am sure they could hear us.
We hadn't discussed how things would be before we moved in with them, but now that I know if we have to live with others when SHTF then there will be "rules" for lack of a better word. This will be discussed before either moves to make sure that is agreeable.
No matter what, people will get on others nerves no matter how much they love each other. As the old saying goes, no kitchen is big enough for two women. In the case of SHTF, we will have to have an outlet for that, not just for religion, gays, the raising of kids, a lot of minds will have to be opened.
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Just my thoughts....
We are becoming accustomed to other pushing their ideas upon us. So we feel the need to push Ours on others.... Its a tit for tat world we live in now...
I am trying to stop putting up arguments for those who wish to push thier ideas. Its a wast of time anymore... I have other things to worry about, and take care of... Its no longer worth my time... Thing are going to happen as they do... There isnt a derned thing "I" can do about it...
So I will just prepare for what I believe.
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Just my thoughts....
We are becoming accustomed to other pushing their ideas upon us. So we feel the need to push Ours on others.... Its a tit for tat world we live in now...
I am trying to stop putting up arguments for those who wish to push thier ideas. Its a wast of time anymore... I have other things to worry about, and take care of... Its no longer worth my time... Thing are going to happen as they do... There isnt a derned thing "I" can do about it...
So I will just prepare for what I believe.
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Just my thoughts....
We are becoming accustomed to other pushing their ideas upon us. So we feel the need to push Ours on others.... Its a tit for tat world we live in now...
I am trying to stop putting up arguments for those who wish to push thier ideas. Its a wast of time anymore... I have other things to worry about, and take care of... Its no longer worth my time... Thing are going to happen as they do... There isnt a derned thing "I" can do about it...
So I will just prepare for what I believe.
You hit the nail on the head there Sentry!
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Have any of you who shuns homosexuals ever eaten shellfish or catfish? That is an abomination (Lev. 11:10).
Have any of you ever worked on a Saturday? That is a sin punishable by death (Exodus 35:2).
What about your raised bed gardens? Hopefully you are not planting two different crops. If you are, then you are sinning (Lev. 19:19)
While you're at it, if you wear a cotton/polyester blend t-shirt, you are sinning against the Lord. When you plant a fruit tree, if you eat the fruit within the first three years, you are sinning against the Lord. If you harvest your gardens all the way to the edge, you are sinning. You're supposed to leave the fruit of your crop around the border of your garden for poor people to harvest. Did you know that?
But while all of these things are an abomination, you are permitted to sell your daughter into slavery (Exodus 21:7). Now that I think about it, you are allowed to own slaves from neighboring nations. I guess Canadians and Mexicans, right (Lev. 25:44)?
I am not Jewish. Those are not laws for the Gentiles. Honestly, if you look at these laws God gave the Jewish people, then you will realize there is a logical reason for it.
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Just my thoughts....
We are becoming accustomed to other pushing their ideas upon us. So we feel the need to push Ours on others.... Its a tit for tat world we live in now...
I am trying to stop putting up arguments for those who wish to push thier ideas. Its a wast of time anymore... I have other things to worry about, and take care of... Its no longer worth my time... Thing are going to happen as they do... There isnt a derned thing "I" can do about it...
So I will just prepare for what I believe.
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Well said Sentry.
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Edited: nevermind...this thread is done.
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Edited: nevermind...this thread is done.
THANK GOD!
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I am Gay and a Prepper, and i don't mind camping with my str8 friends.
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I am Gay and a Prepper, and i don't mind camping with my str8 friends.
Welcome to the forum acciw ... I don't think that most here are concerned if a prepper is gay or not as long as the lifestyle is not pushed on anyone. The more that are prepped the fewer we will have to worry about when the time comes.
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whew... 12 hrs 5 pages and im late.. seen people on the posts iv not seen in a while... whewww im tired now...
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Im a lesbian. :-*
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I saw brokeback mountain. Sold my horse and moved to town!
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I'm left handed..…......
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I'm left handed..…......
Theres a really good joke here somewhere! :o
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first Acciw, welcome to the site.
I was trying to type on my cell and get ready for work this morning, so let me elaborate on my left handedness....
I have had a wide diversity of friends over the years, and some were involved with things that I personally didn't do. One guy does "suspension" which is hanging yourself in the air by fish-hooks.
I would like very much to tell two small stories about my interaction with folks on this topic.
First is a guy I knew in college. Every day in the cafeteria he would go on and on about how "oppressed" he was because of his orientation. But he would also multiple times a day tell me that he was going to "convert" me. He was obnoxious, loud, and rude.
Everything in his world was about ramming his choices down everyone else's throats. He would go to prayer meetings of conservative Christian groups, and start a scene, then if they asked him to leave he would proclaim how "judgemental" they were.
Eventually another friend, whom I know follows a similar life-style choice, blew up at him and called him on his hypocrisy and rudeness.
Conversely, I fell in with a group of kids who were college age, but were not in school. I met them because I played D&D, and so did they. They camped, so did I, they did archery, so did I , etc.
So within a couple weeks of meeting this group, we all decided to go camping. I asked if anyone wanted to ride by my house and help me load some gear. John said he would like to go. We got in my car, and John said "I'm gay." I replied "I'm not."
Someone else yelled to us to see if we could bring back beer, and the conversation changed. We ran the errand, went camping, and enjoyed a very long friendship. About 2 years into it John brought back up that conversation. He said "I was surprised that you still wanted me to go along." And I replied, "What did it have to do with hanging out or going camping?"
I for one, do not care what your choices are in this matter. I have to do me. There is plenty to work on just getting my life sorted. I have a definite belief, that is faith based, but the core of my belief is about us being given free will, and a freedom to chose our own path. Any recriminations, or corrections are between you and your maker. If you ask me to weigh in, I am happy to talk to you about what I believe and why, but I do not push my beliefs on anyone.
So for me, your orientation is about as relevant as me being left-handed. Unless there is some reason it impacts prepping and survival, (like when prepping for women, you need to think of things like menstrual cups),(So if there is an alternative lifestyle specific need we should consider, certainly start a thread), but to me it simply is a non-issue, like...... wait for it..... me being left handed.
(*Siege, I worked it into a mainstream post again!!!)
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I personally don't care about someone's sexual preference in regards to anything.
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Why are we talking about this again?
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Why are we talking about this again?
myakka said something about his left hand, an ugly sister.... I forget now.... :-X
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Why are we talking about this again?
Exactly. I was gonna say something, but I will keep my opinion to myself. If you don't have something good to say, just keep your mouth shut.
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So for me, your orientation is about as relevant as me being left-handed. Unless there is some reason it impacts prepping and survival, (like when prepping for women, you need to think of things like menstrual cups),(So if there is an alternative lifestyle specific need we should consider, certainly start a thread), but to me it simply is a non-issue, like...... wait for it..... me being left handed.
More condoms!
(*Siege, I worked it into a mainstream post again!!!)
Bonus points!
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Why are we talking about this again?
Exactly. I was gonna say something, but I will keep my opinion to myself. If you don't have something good to say, just keep your mouth shut.
You guys crack me up. You click on a thread entitled "homosexual preppers" and then say "Why are we talking about this again?"
That's like going on vacation in hell and then complaining about the heat.
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Homosexual preppers? I think sexual orientation will be pretty low on my list of priorities when it comes to MAGs in a SHTF situation.
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For the record Sentry and Willbkool, "we" were not talking about it "again"
Since A NEW MEMBER posted on it and I replied for the first time.
Why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into it "again" escapes me.
If you find the topic unpleasant, why open the thread? Just sayin.
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So, Why would you go to hell on vacation?????LOL
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Hey Kodiak, if my WIFE gets COUPON don't think we won't!!!!
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For the record Sentry and Willbkool, "we" were not talking about it "again"
Since A NEW MEMBER posted on it and I replied for the first time.
Why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into it "again" escapes me.If you find the topic unpleasant, why open the thread? Just sayin.
control. passive aggression.
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So, Why would you go to hell on vacation?????LOL
how about "that's like clicking on the menstrual cups thread and complaining about the topic" ?
oh wait--that's JUST like it ^-^
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not those darn cups..... again.... O never mind we are talking about sexual preferance... yes i prefer sex... O not that.. opsss i just cant get on subject... darn... :'(
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With garbage like this they want me on their side, i don't think so. There is so much of this BS, some how I thought we (straight) were the majority, so why are we kissing A..
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/feds-eliminate-mom-dad-from-education-aid-forms.html
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Siege!!! I missed the chance to make a great "reference"!!!!!!!! I posted that I am left handed..... What I should have said is "I know something you don't know...... I am not left handed." Of course while a great quote it would have been the exact opposite of what I wanted to say......
Still, it would have been perfectly worth it.
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I am Gay and a Prepper, and i don't mind camping with my str8 friends.
Hola, acciw and welcome. Be sure to post in the intro section and tell us about yourself :)
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Siege!!! I missed the chance to make a great "reference"!!!!!!!! I posted that I am left handed..... What I should have said is "I know something you don't know...... I am not left handed." Of course while a great quote it would have been the exact opposite of what I wanted to say......
Still, it would have been perfectly worth it.
myakka--I have no idea what you're talking about ^-^ Do I even want to know? :-\
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OMG Matilda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can you not recognize this quote???????
And you said you were a fan....... benetti's defense, tippifello, ..... unless you have studied your Agrippa.... Which I have....
You are amazing.. I have studied hard to become so.
The fencing scene from Princess Bride....... "I too am not left handed."
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OMG Matilda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can you not recognize this quote???????
And you said you were a fan....... benetti's defense, tippifello, ..... unless you have studied your Agrippa.... Which I have....
You are amazing.. I have studied hard to become so.
The fencing scene from Princess Bride....... "I too am not left handed."
I am shamed. :'(
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With garbage like this they want me on their side, i don't think so. There is so much of this BS, some how I thought we (straight) were the majority, so why are we kissing A..
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/feds-eliminate-mom-dad-from-education-aid-forms.html
Thanks Brother Crusty, one of my closest neighbors. The liberal media has rammed this stuff down our throats for so long now, that the weak minded bought into it. Wrong is wrong. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. And those who think like us are better armed than those who don't. If others feel different, that's your choice.
When or if the grid goes down, I will only stand by those who think like I do. I won't waste precious resources on something I believe is an abomination. If they stay away from me, they will be safe or if nothing major happens, I won't break any laws. I'm not just talking about homosexuals here, but atheists, liberals, drug users, theives, etc. are all on the list. They get near me and my friends, they will go down. I've been a survivalist for over 30 years and am fairly well prepared. I can pick and choose my friends. Some of my friends are way worse than me, and have been in combat. Some are military and ex-military and are very well equipped. I won't mess with anyone unless they come near me. If so, God help them. I won't.
I really didn't want to get into this, but some of the mamby-pamby types brought it on. Anyone wants to meet in person and discuss this, so be it. Just saying...
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With garbage like this they want me on their side, i don't think so. There is so much of this BS, some how I thought we (straight) were the majority, so why are we kissing A..
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/feds-eliminate-mom-dad-from-education-aid-forms.html
Thanks Brother Crusty, one of my closest neighbors. The liberal media has rammed this stuff down our throats for so long now, that the weak minded bought into it. Wrong is wrong. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. And those who think like us are better armed than those who don't. If others feel different, that's your choice.
When or if the grid goes down, I will only stand by those who think like I do. I won't waste precious resources on something I believe is an abomination. If they stay away from me, they will be safe or if nothing major happens, I won't break any laws. I'm not just talking about homosexuals here, but atheists, liberals, drug users, theives, etc. are all on the list. They get near me and my friends, they will go down. I've been a survivalist for over 30 years and am fairly well prepared. I can pick and choose my friends. Some of my friends are way worse than me, and have been in combat. Some are military and ex-military and are very well equipped. I won't mess with anyone unless they come near me. If so, God help them. I won't.
I really didn't want to get into this, but some of the mamby-pamby types brought it on. Anyone wants to meet in person and discuss this, so be it. Just saying...
So lemme get this straight... just so im sure im reading this correctly. Any crisis you see as big enough to be serious gives you the green light to kill anyone that you determine is different than you?
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Let's speak about abominations my friend. Since you are intent on passing some judgement in Matthew we are told to jusge not that we be not judged, we are also told that there is NO LARGE AND SMALL SIN, ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD, get the beam out of your own eye before you try to get the splinter out of someone elses and so on. I would rather face shtf with someone who can mind his own business and fix his own issues than someone who is too interested in peaking in MY window. That was my point. You work on you, I'll work on me, and let the gay guy down he street work on him, as long as he isn't pushing his pov on me. I am not weak willed, weak minded, or any other insult you feel like dishing out. And I can say that face to face if that's your wish. All your little rant is showing is that when you dont agree with someone you aren't smart enough or mature enough to disagree, you have to try to bully.
I am UNIMPRESSED.
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Thanks Brother Crusty, one of my closest neighbors. The liberal media has rammed this stuff down our throats for so long now, that the weak minded bought into it. Wrong is wrong. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. And those who think like us are better armed than those who don't. If others feel different, that's your choice.
When or if the grid goes down, I will only stand by those who think like I do. I won't waste precious resources on something I believe is an abomination. If they stay away from me, they will be safe or if nothing major happens, I won't break any laws. I'm not just talking about homosexuals here, but atheists, liberals, drug users, theives, etc. are all on the list. They get near me and my friends, they will go down. I've been a survivalist for over 30 years and am fairly well prepared. I can pick and choose my friends. Some of my friends are way worse than me, and have been in combat. Some are military and ex-military and are very well equipped. I won't mess with anyone unless they come near me. If so, God help them. I won't.
I suppose it's good that you have had the opportunity to collect a group of like-minded individuals. I'm sure you will all be very happy together. But I hope you stay isolated. I mean *really* isolated. Because if you start killing people simply because they have "come near you or your friends," I have the feeling that those individuals who think it's wrong to kill people simply because of their life-style or religious choice will find a way to do away with you and your "friends" for everyone else's protection.
I really didn't want to get into this, but some of the mamby-pamby types brought it on.
Of course you want to get into this. You're a big boy and should start taking responsibility for your own behavior and stop blaming others (i.e., "the mamby-pamby types made me do it!").
Anyone wants to meet in person and discuss this, so be it. Just saying...
Yeah, man. After school. Behind the backstop. ::)
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With garbage like this they want me on their side, i don't think so. There is so much of this BS, some how I thought we (straight) were the majority, so why are we kissing A..
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Thanks Brother Crusty, one of my closest neighbors. The liberal media has rammed this stuff down our throats for so long now, that the weak minded bought into it. Wrong is wrong. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. And those who think like us are better armed than those who don't. If others feel different, that's your choice.
When or if the grid goes down, I will only stand by those who think like I do. I won't waste precious resources on something I believe is an abomination. If they stay away from me, they will be safe or if nothing major happens, I won't break any laws. I'm not just talking about homosexuals here, but atheists, liberals, drug users, theives, etc. are all on the list. They get near me and my friends, they will go down. I've been a survivalist for over 30 years and am fairly well prepared. I can pick and choose my friends. Some of my friends are way worse than me, and have been in combat. Some are military and ex-military and are very well equipped. I won't mess with anyone unless they come near me. If so, God help them. I won't.
I really didn't want to get into this, but some of the mamby-pamby types brought it on. Anyone wants to meet in person and discuss this, so be it. Just saying...
So lemme get this straight... just so im sure im reading this correctly. Any crisis you see as big enough to be serious gives you the green light to kill anyone that you determine is different than you?
Kinda sounds like it. These boards are also very good for finding out what people you want to *stay away from.*
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Thanks Brother Crusty, one of my closest neighbors. The liberal media has rammed this stuff down our throats for so long now, that the weak minded bought into it. Wrong is wrong. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. And those who think like us are better armed than those who don't. If others feel different, that's your choice.
When or if the grid goes down, I will only stand by those who think like I do. I won't waste precious resources on something I believe is an abomination. If they stay away from me, they will be safe or if nothing major happens, I won't break any laws. I'm not just talking about homosexuals here, but atheists, liberals, drug users, theives, etc. are all on the list. They get near me and my friends, they will go down. I've been a survivalist for over 30 years and am fairly well prepared. I can pick and choose my friends. Some of my friends are way worse than me, and have been in combat. Some are military and ex-military and are very well equipped. I won't mess with anyone unless they come near me. If so, God help them. I won't.
I really didn't want to get into this, but some of the mamby-pamby types brought it on. Anyone wants to meet in person and discuss this, so be it. Just saying...
So what exactly do you mean by "get near me and my friends"? If they want to be in your MAG? If they want to trade with you? If you happen across them on the road? If you are at a post-SHTF gathering somewhere, will you be asking everyone about their political and religious views as well as their sexual orientation? Will you shoot them then and there if you don't like their answer? Or will you save the bullets for them only if they come onto your property?
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For the record Sentry and Willbkool, "we" were not talking about it "again"
Since A NEW MEMBER posted on it and I replied for the first time.
Why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into it "again" escapes me.
If you find the topic unpleasant, why open the thread? Just sayin.
I injected an opinion? I thought I asked a question... New guy said he was gay... So what! What good has come from the conversation? There are a lot of people who feel the way they do on this topic. If you read the thread in its entirety, you would see it offers no good to this being predominantly a prepper forum... You'll also see where, yes I did offer my thoughts under my second screen name here. If I did, interject an OPINIon. It's probably cause I care about prepping and this forum, and see this is only distracting from that in a time where more valuable discussions are needed.... That would be opinion...
But you and your buddy there can go about doing what you are doing. This isn't my site...
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Sentry, if you read other people's ENTIRE post you would also so where I said almost the exact same thing you just did. That I only expect to see it mentioned in the context of how it affects prepping. But then other people posted a bunch of BIGATROUS crap about shooting people if they came near them or their friends.
So at it's core, and about this issue we agree more than we disagree, but I just can't stand the bullying of the cyber bad@ss.
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For the record Sentry and Willbkool, "we" were not talking about it "again"
Since A NEW MEMBER posted on it and I replied for the first time.
Why you feel it necessary to inject yourself into it "again" escapes me.
If you find the topic unpleasant, why open the thread? Just sayin.
I injected an opinion? I thought I asked a question...
There's this great book called "Nasty People." It's about people who put down others with passive agressive stuff like "Are we talking about this again?" and then when they're called on it, they retreat into, "but I was just asking a question..." Kind of like the husband who looks at his wife and says, "Are you wearing *that* tonight?" and then when she gets defensive because she feels bad about how she looks, the husband chimes in with, "Gee--I just asked a question..." You should read it. Good book.
New guy said he was gay... So what!
That's what many people are thinking about it--so what? No big deal. But apparently it is a big deal to a lot of people here.
What good has come from the conversation? There are a lot of people who feel the way they do on this topic.
It simply amazes me that people can be so oblivious to the world outside of themselves that they actually *believe* that, if they decide something is useless to themselves, that it must be useless to everyone.
If you read the thread in its entirety, you would see it offers no good...
Heh. The arrogance knows no bounds. Stay with the oblivion--it's better than embarassment.
to this being predominantly a prepper forum...
Ah. So in Sentry's world, preppers = straight. I wonder how many homosexuals you served with in the military (and now work with) and you didn't/don't even know it...
You'll also see where, yes I did offer my thoughts under my second screen name here. If I did, interject an OPINIon.
Come on, Sentry--he's talking about the part where you clicked on the thread and then complained about the topic of the thread ("Why are we talking about this again?"). If *you* had read what was going on, you would have realized that, until you chimed in, about the only thing going on was a new guy saying hi (and "I'm gay") and "welcome," and some jokes.
It's probably cause I care about prepping and this forum, and see this is only distracting from that in a time where more valuable discussions are needed.... That would be opinion...
Heh. A "Nasty People" classic: "I'm only acting like an ass because I care."
The irony: for the most part, the people here are all about personal freedom and freedom of speech/expression. And then there's Sentry, who wants to be in charge of determining which discussions are valuable and which are not. But it's only because you care--how sweet :-* Thank you for helping me determine what's best for me. Perhaps you should join the Obama administration; I hear they want more people like you.
But you and your buddy there can go about doing what you are doing. This isn't my site...
Uh oh, myakka--you're now guilty by association :D
BTW, Sentry--thank you for the permission.
I would say this discussion has been very valuable. Many people are now aware of the extreme behavior (that would be MURDER) that some members here are seeming to advocate, and some might choose to stay far far away from these members. I would say this thread and discussion has been particularly valuable to acciw (and others homosexuals who may be lurking). He is now certainly aware of a couple of people he should avoid at all costs. I'm sure it's been made very clear to him (and others) that preppers/survivalists can be bad and dangerous people who will take advantage of the fact that there may one day be fewer laws and take that opportunity to do away with (MURDER) folks with whom they disagree on certain subjects.
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Thanks Brother Crusty, one of my closest neighbors. The liberal media has rammed this stuff down our throats for so long now, that the weak minded bought into it. Wrong is wrong. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. And those who think like us are better armed than those who don't. If others feel different, that's your choice.
When or if the grid goes down, I will only stand by those who think like I do. I won't waste precious resources on something I believe is an abomination. If they stay away from me, they will be safe or if nothing major happens, I won't break any laws. I'm not just talking about homosexuals here, but atheists, liberals, drug users, theives, etc. are all on the list. They get near me and my friends, they will go down. I've been a survivalist for over 30 years and am fairly well prepared. I can pick and choose my friends. Some of my friends are way worse than me, and have been in combat. Some are military and ex-military and are very well equipped. I won't mess with anyone unless they come near me. If so, God help them. I won't.
I really didn't want to get into this, but some of the mamby-pamby types brought it on. Anyone wants to meet in person and discuss this, so be it. Just saying...
Good job, my fellow American. You claim what you feel is your right--your right to be left alone to do what you want to do. Your right to the freedom to be what you want to be--straight or conservative or Christian. But you apparently see nothing wrong with denying others the *basic right to exist* simply because you don't agree with what *they* have chosen to do. You want rights you are not willing to extend to others. You're a murderer, plain and simple.
Maybe you need a wake up call. If you pulled this crap in a SHTF situ on any of my people (or just anyone, period) simply because they were liberal or atheist or gay, I would kill you. I wouldn't consider it murder. I would consider it to be a good defense for innocent people. Just taking out the trash.
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and now this thread is done. if the topic needs further discussion someone can start another thread