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Survivalist's Resources & Preparedness => Urban Survival => : -> Bear September 06, 2013, 08:22:09 AM
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Wondering if your in a residential type area. What kind of defense you would set up?
For instance you have a lot of neighbors or you live on 1 acre or if you live in a apartment, or trailer. or you live close to a main road on a short driveway. Urban defense is a important matter to discuss.
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My wife and I recently downsized to an apartment so we could save up to buy a house.
All we could come up with and store reasonably in the apartment might be some sort of hurricane shutter or plywood for the windows. I hate thought about collecting telephone books but storing enough to fll the window cavities would take a ton of room.
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I recall a doomsday show where a guy used crushed glass at particular doors and windows. Good idea or bad? Or what about the spanish bayonet plant?
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Whatever you do, don't forget the military truism that says "Make it too hard for the enemy to get in and it will be too hard for you to get out."
Meaning if you are confronted with overwhelming force and need to retreat. Or suppose your building is on fire.
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Some good points and a topic that is definitely worth discussing! We live in a nice part of town but it's not very defensible. With any luck we can change that in another handful of years and head upstate. Until then we'll just have to work with what we have and hope "it" doesn't hit!
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Study in a way how your neighbors are. Do they seem friendly or not, then get some that you may trust a little bit. See if you know who is armed or not. Who hunts and who are military vets..
Wouldn't mention prepping or anything. But I would consider saying I would be sticking around in most disasters, and if fit did hit the shan. Then you wait if you can the 72 hours give or take and see the chaos start. Have your guns ready.
There was some studys done. And those that have seen the effects of Louisiana. And the study said mostly around 72 hours people who were not ready would be the first to start chaos.
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http://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Doomsday-Guide-Urban-Disaster/dp/1480270660
In quite a few of the scenerios in this book, the author recommended to be on the move.... My plan involves a complete bugout.
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Hopefully most situations don't come up for me to decide an plan a drastic bugging out.
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Bugging out is not a survival strategy in and of itself. For it to be anything "good" you need a destination, and some excellent planning of how to get there (along with backup plans for your backup plans.)
The juice has to be worth the squeeze. The risks of travelling, being exposed to outside threats, unknown changes in the road or your final destination point....
You are jumping into the unknown if you bug out, so to me, it has to be a really specific situation that would make bugging out the better option.
This is just my opinion, and offered for consideration.
*And yes, I have 2 spots to head to if I need to. 1 is 3 miles away and just logistically better than my house. The other is a couple states away, and would allow me to take care of my folks, and is a pretty decent set-up too. But where I am is pretty awesome too as far as resources.
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My wife and I recently downsized to an apartment so we could save up to buy a house.
All we could come up with and store reasonably in the apartment might be some sort of hurricane shutter or plywood for the windows. I hate thought about collecting telephone books but storing enough to fll the window cavities would take a ton of room.
Fortunately collecting phone books is easy, just volunteer to deliver new ones... then drop em off at home.
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Bugging out is not a survival strategy in and of itself. For it to be anything "good" you need a destination, and some excellent planning of how to get there (along with backup plans for your backup plans.)
The juice has to be worth the squeeze. The risks of travelling, being exposed to outside threats, unknown changes in the road or your final destination point....
You are jumping into the unknown if you bug out, so to me, it has to be a really specific situation that would make bugging out the better option.
This is just my opinion, and offered for consideration.
*And yes, I have 2 spots to head to if I need to. 1 is 3 miles away and just logistically better than my house. The other is a couple states away, and would allow me to take care of my folks, and is a pretty decent set-up too. But where I am is pretty awesome too as far as resources.
id do agree with you here i dont wont to become a refugee ro a victim.. the odds are better on ya at home organizing your community and family... pretty much what selco said in his memories...
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Have tried to think thru scenario's. I do live on a dead end street. Good and Bad. In the Burbs, old burbs. I would plan to fell a few trees at the end of my street to slow down the hoards. I have cover and concealment in my front yard with lines of sight to that area. My biggest problems will be from over rear fences, neighbors back yards. Not much open area to acquire a target.
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Have tried to think thru scenario's. I do live on a dead end street. Good and Bad. In the Burbs, old burbs. I would plan to fell a few trees at the end of my street to slow down the hoards. I have cover and concealment in my front yard with lines of sight to that area. My biggest problems will be from over rear fences, neighbors back yards. Not much open area to acquire a target.
i live on a couldasac with a lake on the south side and one way in and out based on the roads.. very defansable area but will require a group of people to defand it tho.. if i had only the house and a few neighbors it would still be able to do it we would have to baracade the road and n side tho....
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Well, Answered Prayers Farm is our bug in spot. We are on a dead end dirt road 6 miles outside a one stop light town. We have neighbors, but also plenty of woods about.
IF there are roving bands of ne'er do wells roaming about after some chaotic event I do not think they will make it this far. And we are off the main road, and even off the two lane blacktop county road.
But I feel your pain - I grew up in Palm Beach County and watched it turn from paradise to a paved over suburb of Nu Yawk. I do not envy any city folks.
My wife and I prayed, wished, and hoped to move to the country. To a place that has more churches than bars. The Good Lord heard our prayers and He led us here in 1995.
Only our children know where we live, other than the large animal vet, the farrier, and the hay man. Not the people I work with, not my buddies down at the VFW, nobody.
It took years of labor and a wheelbarrow full of cash, but our property is fenced and cross fenced, the gates to the road stay closed and locked 24/7/365 whether we are home or not. Whenever i'm outside the house, doing chores or whatever, I am wearing a pistol in plain view.
We grow and raise a lot of our own food.
We are ready.
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RPD you are doing great! We are saving up for a similar jump. Where I am is great, but has a few drawbacks.
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Congrats.. RPD....congrats
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Too isolated has it's own problems.
I've planted Nellie Stevens Holly in a solid hedge all the way around the perimeter. In a few years they'll be a solid hedge 7-8 ft tall and 2 1/2 ft thick. Blackberries will be planted all the way around the outside.
John
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Once you get blackberries started they will spread on their own. I think the birds spread the seeds when they eat the berries.
We never even planted any, we first noticed a couple plants in our chicken run. Now we have them covering the 6 foot chainlink chicken fence for about 100 linear feet. And then out by the road they have taken over near one of the exterior gates.
All within 4 or 5 years.
We haven't cut them back because we enjoy the berries. They grow and ripen once a year in our zone, being ready to pick, eat, and preserve in the second half of May.
The rabbits get the ones near the bottom, the birds near the top, and we get what's left. ;D
Nature's bounty.
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Still on track. What do you do about too many windows?
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Still on track. What do you do about too many windows?
Hey D2 check out these links and aslo you can google home defene plants...
http://www.hgtv.com/gardening/how-to-add-security-plants-to-your-yard/index.html
http://www.familyhomesecurity.com/defensive-gardening-and-landscaping/
you can also plant stuff like yuca which has great thorns plus you can eat the roots... 2 birds with one stone..
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Thanks bum for those links. Will see what I'm able to do.
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I would suggest a nice shovel or two (so someone can help!), a pair of nice work gloves for each shovel and some sand bags. You can fill them with dirt and gravel in addition to sand, they take up very little room to store, are also useful in floods, and can help you fortify a building against small arms in just a few days, or help build up fighting area's around the gate to your community / neighborhood. You can get them pretty cheaply on amazon and e-bay.
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Well, you will need some blackout cloth.
A lit cig in the dark can be seen how many miles away? So if you plan on using any light at night you need a blackout cloth at each window. You also need to caulk cracks and crevices.
Of course, a lot of the people where I live light bonfires during the winter to stay warm. We, on the other hand have a woodburning stove. Wouldn't try to survive the winter without it. Had to order the pipe and stove through Northern Tools. We will be getting backup pipe just in case. The rust is bad from the humidity during the summer.
We will also be building covered walkways out to the rabbits and chickens. Wouldn't do to make it easy for them to take pot shots at us. Water supply rain barrels. Both for the critters and us...just in case. Of course it's nice living in an area where the water table is high enough we could dig down a couple of feet and get water for the garden and laundry.
Also planting enough trees and stuff to provide cover. Doesn't do to be out in the open where everybody can see everything. Of course, most of our neighbors are just as private as we are. We know each other enough to say hi, but we don't make a practice of it to get into each other's business.
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Well, you will need some blackout cloth.
A lit cig in the dark can be seen how many miles away? So if you plan on using any light at night you need a blackout cloth at each window. You also need to caulk cracks and crevices.
Of course, a lot of the people where I live light bonfires during the winter to stay warm. We, on the other hand have a woodburning stove. Wouldn't try to survive the winter without it. Had to order the pipe and stove through Northern Tools. We will be getting backup pipe just in case. The rust is bad from the humidity during the summer.
We will also be building covered walkways out to the rabbits and chickens. Wouldn't do to make it easy for them to take pot shots at us. Water supply rain barrels. Both for the critters and us...just in case. Of course it's nice living in an area where the water table is high enough we could dig down a couple of feet and get water for the garden and laundry.
Also planting enough trees and stuff to provide cover. Doesn't do to be out in the open where everybody can see everything. Of course, most of our neighbors are just as private as we are. We know each other enough to say hi, but we don't make a practice of it to get into each other's business.
rabbit rancher nice post things iv not thought about but are extremly important like the black out curtains....
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Well, you will need some blackout cloth.
A lit cig in the dark can be seen how many miles away? So if you plan on using any light at night you need a blackout cloth at each window. You also need to caulk cracks and crevices.
Of course, a lot of the people where I live light bonfires during the winter to stay warm. We, on the other hand have a woodburning stove. Wouldn't try to survive the winter without it. Had to order the pipe and stove through Northern Tools. We will be getting backup pipe just in case. The rust is bad from the humidity during the summer.
We will also be building covered walkways out to the rabbits and chickens. Wouldn't do to make it easy for them to take pot shots at us. Water supply rain barrels. Both for the critters and us...just in case. Of course it's nice living in an area where the water table is high enough we could dig down a couple of feet and get water for the garden and laundry.
Also planting enough trees and stuff to provide cover. Doesn't do to be out in the open where everybody can see everything. Of course, most of our neighbors are just as private as we are. We know each other enough to say hi, but we don't make a practice of it to get into each other's business.
rabbit rancher nice post things iv not thought about but are extremely important like the black out curtains....
Thanks! There's a series of videos on youtube...can't remember the name of the stupid things. From Great Britain, during the war. They were setting up people to reenact what went on with the rationing and stuff. Pretty interesting! They even had to reenact living on rations and building a bomb shelter in their backyard.
I can't seem to find it right now. Had to do with Wartime.
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I like to have a fork or too with me at all times, people never expect it causing a shock effect.
then they break out in laughter giving you more time, then they didn't realize that its points are sharpened and you not only get stabbed once but 4 times at once causing the same amount of damage as a small pocket knife times 4.
I still have what we had b4 we moved, metal with a clawed hammer head welded to it, hand made garden hoes sharpened, 4 x 4 with barbs coming out of the top, skinny metal poles first packed with small rocks then capped off with cement. you know, the mad maxx type of weapons but would like to learn more. and get more too.
jaye
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Get one of those meat carving forks and cut off the handle and weld a box like handle on it and sharpen the tines. That would definitely cause some damage. And hit vitals...
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thank you, great idea! ihave a fork I don't use.
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Make a plan and start working on it now! Cut boards for the windows and doors. I save bottles so if TSHTF I can break them and scatter the glass where I don't want people to be. Boards with nails driven through them placed under windows. Landscaping set up now can be built to stop bullets and deter intruders. A pile of gravel stashed in the back yard under a tarp for landscaping projects can be used to fill bags and buckets.
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Why not just get hatchets and keep them handy... I would be more concerned with a person wielding a hatchet then a fork... A small hatchet say about 14.5 inches or so would do a hell of a lot more damage than a fork... at the same time if you swung it both ways they either get hit with the sharp end or the blunt (hammer like end)... Either way if you are going crazy with it you are causing damage...
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http://www.amazon.com/Fiskars-7850-X7-14-Inch-Hatchet/dp/B0002YTO7E
Sharpest hatchet I have ever seen or used... I have had people touch the edge on these and get cut... Hands down beats a fork...
Generally in a shtf situation you don't want someone thinking you have a meager tool... You want them moving away... And quickly....
I mean if your kids are there. Do you want them saying "yeah right" as they get closer to your kids? Then once they figure out it hurts, they grab one of your kids?
Points to you for thinking out side of the box, but you want that box a little sharper.... And meaner...
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the Ka Bar Kukri....... great melee weapon plus small enough to use in tight quatrters... the link is from their web sight iv so the price is full retail... iv seen them online for half the retail... just a FYI....
http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/11
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Well, it looks like it has a good grip on it. Nice to keep your hand from sliding.
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the Ka Bar Kukri....... great melee weapon plus small enough to use in tight quatrters... the link is from their web sight iv so the price is full retail... iv seen them online for half the retail... just a FYI....
http://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/11
I've been wanting one of those for years, ever since I met a Gurkha that gave a demonstration on how they are taught to use them in combat. I would never want to face him as an opponent in a knife fight, much less a company of them. And yes, he did intentionally nick his arm and draw blood before he cleaned it and put it away.
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Shoot. I cut myself all the time. I must be a SWAMI.
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Shoot. I cut myself all the time. I must be a SWAMI.
Uaaaa i dont think that counts... :P ??? :o.. :o
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When I lived in town my home defense plans were as much about camouflage as security. Making it look my home had been ransacked (ok guys AFTER an event not before!!) was my plan. Throwing old clothes and dishes in the yard, pulling the couch or large chair out of the house and leaving it on the sidewalk just in front of the door so it looked like looters had a great time trashing my house. Throwing a handful of spent shotgun shells and other rounds on the ground so they would be visible and even planned to put a couple rounds of birdshot into the side of the house for effect. The inside of the house is where my window coverings and security would be placed, from the outside I planed it to look like I hadn't down much to prepare maybe a couple of boards on some windows before the looters came and took it all.
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I also like the idea of inhospitable plants at the road front, roses, bougenvillas, crown-of-thorns, cacti
Anything that someone skulking around at night will be unhappy about bumping into.
Also, throw some kids large toys in the yard, like a big wheel or bike, then string trip wires between them threaded to noise makers. don't make it obvious that this is on purpose, but look like the general trash in the yard.
When your plants funnel the foot traffic into the trip zones, you hear them coming.
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If I didn't mention it I found one spanish bayonet plant that was wild. It's now under one window.. AndI'm looking for more.
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If I didn't mention it I found one spanish bayonet plant that was wild. It's now under one window.. AndI'm looking for more.
I hope and pray that your house doesn't catch on fire and you end up having to use that window as an escape route!
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I understand your concern rabbit.. But that is a good spot I placed it in.. And it's not directly under the the window..
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Still on track. What do you do about too many windows?
Corrugated metal storm shutters for hurricanes have become pretty common and would probably make fairly effective shielding against attack. Just cut a gun slit to fire thru at attackers...
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Hey ya'll I receive a magazine on mil tac gear from a www.CHKADELS.com they have all types of crazy neat items. Maybe you can find a home protection device that will fit your needs.
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Still on track. What do you do about too many windows?
Corrugated metal storm shutters for hurricanes have become pretty common and would probably make fairly effective shielding against attack. Just cut a gun slit to fire thru at attackers...
WB iv thought about that as i do have a set for the house they are tough and hard to breach only draw back is as you said visability but that can be handled fairly well... ls thought bout setting up an OP on the neighbors 2 story house with sandbags.... kinda like a tower...
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Sportsman Guide has a "device" it runs on batteries it alerts you if say you pass a point like a drive way... um use barb wire.... spike strips.... sharpened bamboo pits... IED's....
Oh Question! As for windows I thought the military "tinted" windows to help prevent shattering does anyone know of this and do you think it would work?
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Sportsman Guide has a "device" it runs on batteries it alerts you if say you pass a point like a drive way... um use barb wire.... spike strips.... sharpened bamboo pits... IED's....
Oh Question! As for windows I thought the military "tinted" windows to help prevent shattering does anyone know of this and do you think it would work?
Nah, can't use the bamboo pit idea. I had it first!
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I live in the city almost at the city limits about a 5 min drive from tampa bay, off of a very busy street ( gandy if you know st. pete) it's a weird place to be because it is half way built up and what isn't, really isn't. The apartments we live in don't allow you to do any major anything to the place but we have our ways.
for one, the ducks sleep right under my window and they sleep lightly and squack about everything not natural. - early warning of a sort.
I acquired a few aluminum base ball bats which I sawed off a portion on the butt of the handle, filled them with rocks and quick crete, now they are nice and heavy and I use to play baseball and know how to aim and swing. my daughter and I filled up one enough for my grandson to swing and mean business.
we have 2 fridges and a deep freezer and they are all on wheels so we can wheel them where we want them to go and drop them down so someone trying to get in can't wheel them out of the way.
the external doors are made of metal.
out on the enclosed patio, we have a washer and dryer so we plan to put them up against the door and fill them up with heavy things and load the tops of them with heavy objects.
I also have a few camping propane tanks ( hand held) and a striker, I took welding in school and I'm not afraid of them.
we have wooden sticks with 6 penny nails sticking out in all directions.
we have box cutters incase someone is too close for comfort.
I have started saving the small glass bottles of tonic water and have rags stuck in them, just in case, I know I need some kind of fluid for them but it's a start.
looking into getting arms and a lisc to carry for my daughter and I then stocking up on ammo.
my first major concern is to make our place like fort knox so we can keep our "sheet".
I am not going through all of this for someone else to enjoy my efforts.
can you think of what I messed?
jaye
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Again older post but I like the topic
I live in the suburbs nearest neighbor 6 achers away on other side river front and fields. I live at the end of our road with multiple routes of egress. Long story short fortify the side facing civilization, barbed wire field, precision shot land mines made of tannerite along with other "booby traps" barricades made with 2x4s and spikes woven with barbed wire. Leave egress routes clear out the back and have fail safe traps set in vicinity to ward off those that make it that far and cover my escape.
That being said I can manage all that in a days time, have practiced it with the wife. And bonus is her and I are very avid shooters with enough firepower to stop the common group of raiders unless they brought armor vehicles. Not saying we are Rambo incarnate but we have had enough field experience and exercise to know our limitations.
We have both received training in urban combat and combat medicine both from military and taking courses personally. I know most don't have that option. But if a person really assesses their surroundings and has a defensive/offensive mind set using items around the house can prove very fruitful.
I know a lot of people live in cities or apartments where these things aren't possible, but was giving my input based on my situation
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"TS", WISH YOU LIVED nearby.
Thanks for renergizing the thread.
A neighbor an I look at times at each other's location. If we see something off we either check, or report it. He was a Vietnam veteran, Navy I think. Hes older, active, an a generally good neighbor and friend/ "brother". Sadly I know he voted Obama twice.
Thinking that when things happen I may tie some 15lb test fishing line with hooks tied in between some trees. An maybe use post hole diggers and dig some ankle breakers. Wander in the dark step in a "post hole" :-) with a sharp stick indebrise bottom. You kind of fall forward then get tangled up in line. There friends may help if they continue on the might get a line across the chest. ??? Or a round or two. Heard some line was used tied to tin cans with rocks as alarms. Think a few slightly buried spike strips, an a old lengthy brush pile waist high an full of burnt debris, vines, maybe glass chunks I have a area I put some old limbs used a chainsaw sorta chopped it down cleaned up a old fire pit before my time with glass in it ,thrown it with the pile an over a year later vines an stuff grew all in. Its about waist high. An if you ain't sure of it like I did once where your at you'll trip. Lucky I didnt get hurt. Beyond that is a power line with BlackBerry bushes everywhere.
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"TS", WISH YOU LIVED nearby.
Thanks for renergizing the thread.
Lol who knows I might be close.
And yea I seen the thread and its one of the areas I think of most when it comes to bugging in. I liked quite a few of the other ideas I read and can see where I could add them to my list. I like your ideas too,but where I'm at its nothing but wide open spaces except the tree line on the river bank. And yes I thought about being assaulted by water lol I have two small remote cameras that will cover that area (solar powered). That's why I had the plan with tannerite open field of view a big explosion will go a long way as a deterant. Takes a rifle to set it off but well placed and well shot kaboom lol
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Some weighted logs TS, slow there progress down some may choose a bank to land ho, instead of getting too close too fast so you can make them die tired. A type of ( "river block© ®" :) ) similar to a road block. Or funnel them when land on your claim to a rigged area maybe full of pogy sticks an spanish bayonet and thorny bushes. That have a tricky path through. ???. Hmm a weighted type buoy connected by chains an u might could add spikes for boats to hit.
(Dont ask) very neat, bumped into this link. Members what ya think?
http://www.qdrum.co.za/about-q-drum
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Some weighted logs TS, slow there progress down some may choose a bank to land ho, instead of getting too close too fast so you can make them die tired. A type of ( "river block© ®" :) ) similar to a road block. Or funnel them when land on your claim to a rigged area maybe full of pogy sticks an spanish bayonet and thorny bushes. That have a tricky path through. ???. Hmm a weighted type buoy connected by chains an u might could add spikes for boats to hit.
(Dont ask) very neat, bumped into this link. Members what ya think?
http://www.qdrum.co.za/about-q-drum
Yea the river bank is pretty high and nothing but those big boulders already. The treeline is split in two by about a 7ft wide canal that is 4-5 ft deep of mud. I know the only crossing as it is severely over grown so believe I'm safe from that side. Anyone trying to get thru will die tired on that side lol
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I'm in the suburbs but i live in a circle one way in one way out.. so it has possabilities for defences but its going to be a neighborhood project... iv got 2 houses on the street that are LE and 2 that are Army plus a bunch of vets... so i think we would have a fairly good block.. all the other preps tho will be a problem with these families I'm sure i know they have emergency hurricane stuff but who knows what else beyond that...
I'm always looking for ideas to fortify the house and organise my neighbors..
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I think a lot are like me... If I get the worse case scenario, I'm not going to be able to hold of the hordes but if I get just a little bit of luck swinging my way, I have a chance to stand...
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I think a lot are like me... If I get the worse case scenario, I'm not going to be able to hold of the hordes but if I get just a little bit of luck swinging my way, I have a chance to stand...
Well said Capt.. thats exactly where im at..
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We are pretty much off the beaten path and praying that we won't have to deal with the "wandering masses". However, if someone does get into our area we will defend what is ours and that God keeps us safe from harm.
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Study in a way how your neighbors are. Do they seem friendly or not, then get some that you may trust a little bit. See if you know who is armed or not. Who hunts and who are military vets..
Wouldn't mention prepping or anything. But I would consider saying I would be sticking around in most disasters, and if fit did hit the shan. Then you wait if you can the 72 hours give or take and see the chaos start. Have your guns ready.
There was some studys done. And those that have seen the effects of Louisiana. And the study said mostly around 72 hours people who were not ready would be the first to start chaos.
I think that is exactly why you should not wait 72 hours. Even if you have a good working plan, you don't want to try bugging out just as the chaos is starting. That's the worst possible time. You don't want a panicky mob without food or drinkable water noticing you out on the road.
If you're bugging out, do it while everyone else is still thinking that it's all going to be back to normal in a day or two. BEFORE the unprepared are willing to do anything.
Consider as many scenarios as you can. Decide which you stay put for and which you need to bug out. And then bug out for those situations while the sun is still shining, the birds are still singing and the sheeple are sure that nothing will ever go wrong...
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Study in a way how your neighbors are. Do they seem friendly or not, then get some that you may trust a little bit. See if you know who is armed or not. Who hunts and who are military vets..
Wouldn't mention prepping or anything. But I would consider saying I would be sticking around in most disasters, and if fit did hit the shan. Then you wait if you can the 72 hours give or take and see the chaos start. Have your guns ready.
There was some studys done. And those that have seen the effects of Louisiana. And the study said mostly around 72 hours people who were not ready would be the first to start chaos.
I think that is exactly why you should not wait 72 hours. Even if you have a good working plan, you don't want to try bugging out just as the chaos is starting. That's the worst possible time. You don't want a panicky mob without food or drinkable water noticing you out on the road.
If you're bugging out, do it while everyone else is still thinking that it's all going to be back to normal in a day or two. BEFORE the unprepared are willing to do anything.
Consider as many scenarios as you can. Decide which you stay put for and which you need to bug out. And then bug out for those situations while the sun is still shining, the birds are still singing and the sheeple are sure that nothing will ever go wrong...
iv often thought about when would be the best time to get out... if you were planning to get out... i do think that sometimes circumstances wont permit you to leave take for instance neighborhood or city lock downs with leo or military enforcement or curfues and all of that type of stuff.. i think the local authorities are going to have a better idea of the situation and would try to lock down for control... they would be suspicous of anybody on the streets and pull them over either peacefully or by force.... than they establish pick up centers for food n water distribution so they can regulate the population by registering the people.. kinda like election centers... this is going to seperate the sheep from the non sheep for the authorities...
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Battery golf cart an trailer might come in handy for a good idea to escape. Quite like good on an off road. Adaptive lil buggers.II've got a gas golf cart. The battery ones you can make it go I think 25~30mph I think for about 12hours (though I could be wrong) the gas carts go about 13~15 mph holds about 5 gallons an runs for days. Take some trails, rail lines, back roads, timber industry roads, an get lost. Slightly slow but good idea for GO, an they could get altered many types of ways!
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iv often thought about when would be the best time to get out... if you were planning to get out... i do think that sometimes circumstances wont permit you to leave take for instance neighborhood or city lock downs with leo or military enforcement or curfues and all of that type of stuff.. i think the local authorities are going to have a better idea of the situation and would try to lock down for control... they would be suspicous of anybody on the streets and pull them over either peacefully or by force.... than they establish pick up centers for food n water distribution so they can regulate the population by registering the people.. kinda like election centers... this is going to seperate the sheep from the non sheep for the authorities...
Depends on the emergency.
A hurricane we'll simply batten down for. When my neighborhood floods, my house never does. My place just sits a little bit higher than the rest of the subdivision. My next door neighbor gets a foot of water in her house, it never comes within 10 feet of my place.
But economic collapse, power grid going down long-term, pandemic or civil unrest? We're packed together way too tight in my area (Melbourne) to be safe when things unravel. So after (or maybe even before) the event but BEFORE the mob realizes that help ain't coming and the authorities have time to set up travel restrictions, I'm loading up the truck, getting out of Dodge, and hunkering down at my bug-out site. I want to avoid the stampede at all costs...
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wrench i do believe your correct timing is going to be everything... i unfortunalty have no place to get to other than NC... where the peps are... 13 hrs under normal conditions.. so im trying to set up a relay with some of the guys i know south of me so they have someplace to fall up to sort of speak... fortifie in... im only leaving if absolutly have no choice or in a box... im trying to avoid that last part...
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wrench i do believe your correct timing is going to be everything... i unfortunalty have no place to get to other than NC... where the peps are... 13 hrs under normal conditions.. so im trying to set up a relay with some of the guys i know south of me so they have someplace to fall up to sort of speak... fortifie in... im only leaving if absolutly have no choice or in a box... im trying to avoid that last part...
Bum,
My first option is always bugging in. But I feel certain scenarios makes that an unjustifiably dangerous choice.
My primary bug-out location is up near the Georgia line off of I-10. About 4 hours driving in good conditions. But it's a good location to meet up with my daughter who's at FSU. Less than an hour for her to get there.
Still, I'm always considering backups. My wife is getting into kayaking. That set me to thinking about bugging out in kayaks along the St. John's waterway if roads, powerline/railroad right-of-ways, etc aren't useable. Just starting to scout alternate bug-out/cache locations along the waterway now.
Of course, that doesn't get me to my daughter so it's more of a last resort - a "Plan Z" as it were. If there's a scenario that involves Tallahassee, getting my girl out of there safe is always a top priority. Why couldn't she just go to F.I.T.? It's just down the street...
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I feel ya, Mr. Wrench, I worry about my family being in Kissimmee 40 miles away. I've studied every route and broke it down as 3 days walking or 1 day riding a bicycle.
Tallahassee would seem like the other side of the moon with normal transportation cut off.
The kayak journey would be epic but might be the route of least resistance. Lots to think about...
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wrench.. i feel ya.. my daughter (last (baby) of 3 kids) is now married to a marine.. who is stationed at Camp LeJeun NC which is 1.5 hrs from my inlaws 12 hrs from me and all of my wifes family since since 1635.. LOL yep thats alot of people.. Now that being said i worry about my 2 new grandkids almost 3yrs and 3months.. my daughter believes in what im doing as far as prepping and so does my son in law.. so they are trying. as much as a lance corperal's salery will permit.. so i help most of the time... NOW... iv figured out several conditions that really would make me leave my house with my other kids. who is now 25 (last 1) and graduating the police academy in july who will be a great inside information source.. LOL.. opsss where was I.. O yea..
I CANT STAND THE IDEA of me n the wife surviving/thriving and not knowing how the kids n grand kids are doing.. PERIOD.... the wife well forget it... so the wife is like how are we going to get there.. ???? and really i DONT KNOW... luck... timing... luck... hell i wish i could give her a direct solid answer.. because my wife dosesnt care or give a flying frig... all she wonts to here is i have a plan.. talk about pressure.. because she isnt going to take i dont know lying down... uggg... she just wonts to hear OK we'll be able to get to the grandkids.. OK... OK let me get another beer.. NOw hick... i know the marines will take care of their own. thats a given..... so here im am looking for ideas... now i know reality is just reality.. its like a good plan its perfect until the 1st round goes zinging by.... so im just trying to come up with an idea...
those variables to me are just like the fog of war... you just cant have a plan.. being able to imprivise is going to be critical..
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I feel ya, Mr. Wrench, I worry about my family being in Kissimmee 40 miles away. I've studied every route and broke it down as 3 days walking or 1 day riding a bicycle.
Tallahassee would seem like the other side of the moon with normal transportation cut off.
The kayak journey would be epic but might be the route of least resistance. Lots to think about...
True..but the river passes through populated areas...good maps and test runs would be key in skirting population areas...that and knowledge of other river wages to.portage to if need be ...
Having pre set cache points and or a net work of Riverside friends will help.
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A couple of days ago I borrowed a friends range finder and yesterday I was roaming the neighborhood drawing up a range card. My neighbor caught me in the act.
"Watcha Doin?"
I explained what a range card is.
After a moment he asks, "Can I have a copy?."
My neighbor is on the good guy list.
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A couple of days ago I borrowed a friends range finder and yesterday I was roaming the neighborhood drawing up a range card. My neighbor caught me in the act.
"Watcha Doin?"
I explained what a range card is.
After a moment he asks, "Can I have a copy?."
My neighbor is on the good guy list.
Capt now that s a good idea.. dam good idea..... dont know why that thought never occurred to me... iv got range cards for my deer stands this just makes sense.... that's why i just love this place.. somebody is always saying some thing smart...
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A couple of days ago I borrowed a friends range finder and yesterday I was roaming the neighborhood drawing up a range card. My neighbor caught me in the act.
"Watcha Doin?"
I explained what a range card is.
After a moment he asks, "Can I have a copy?."
My neighbor is on the good guy list.
Aaaaaaaand guess what I'll be doing this week. 8)
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I love the range card idea too! (slapping forehead) why didn't I think of that?
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Modern Hurricane windows, although $$$ can provide the security and still allow your house to hide in plain sight and there is no time wasted trying to put them up, pair them up with some simple rebar window grate on the inside of the blinds (not visible from the street) and you have quite the formidable defense. I think the ones boarded up like fort knox will just bring attention to all the resource seekers who know that something good is inside.
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Not a range card, but this was something I have planned on playing with... I pulled up www.Bing.com maps, and printed out my sub-division a few months ago... My plan was to kind of learn the streets, perhaps plan escape routes etc. Other than that, figure out where I set up fighting positions within immediate area...
I like the range card idea though... Might be a good idea from different points in the yard or something... Ill have to keep that in mind.
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Sentry all you need now is to write "CLEAR" on some of the buildings in red marker and youll have a scene straight out of the walking dead. :D Great job on your preplanning.
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Not a range card, but this was something I have planned on playing with... I pulled up www.Bing.com maps, and printed out my sub-division a few months ago... My plan was to kind of learn the streets, perhaps plan escape routes etc. Other than that, figure out where I set up fighting positions within immediate area...
I like the range card idea though... Might be a good idea from different points in the yard or something... Ill have to keep that in mind.
Patrol use....area denial...choke /ambush points......cough...cough....
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Sentry thats a great companion to the range card idea.. i think the 2 together is an excellent way to set up a defencive perimiter of your neighborhood.. looks like im going to be doing the same thing and like delta said.. choke points area denial and ambush points of interest.. caugh... caugh... ddd what
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as i read earlier the nails through the ply wood are a great defense ive worked construction a long time have a couple of bucks of # 16& 8 s put away just for the occasion . also good for repairing many things around the house. lots of treble hooks help also along with fishing line just have to be creative to keep the boggiee man away
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I know this is an old post for most folks here but all these old posts are new to me. Read through all the replies and picked up a couple of new ideas. For my windos I use carpet tack strips where I can. They are cost effective and can be painted to blend in better. If I need to use a prepared window for an escape route I can cover them with a blanket and move the blanket after I'm outside to slow pursuit.
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If an EMP went off I'd have to saw a escape hatch in the floor.
I like the idea of carpet tack strips.
If I ain't mistaking phone books are highly flammable dry.
I was thinking Holly Bushes would be a decent hedge in areas. A few spools of barb wire could come in handy strung up even loose in between trees. The movie hamburger hill I think it was showed tin cans tied up to the "wire" with rocks inside as an alarm. A few trenches and fox holes may come in handy. And I hear pillow cases could be used as a sand bag in a pinch.
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Defense against what, may I ask? No fortress ever built is totally impenetrable, you live in the woods far away from town you are in trouble and if you live in the city your nice little house is an open target .A angry mob set on taking your goods will do just that if you are alone or with a minimum of defense personnel to back you up ,numbers dictated the outcome in situations like this .May 1980 and Jan 1989 Miami riots where deadly and angry ,I was in one of those riots , we all got together and went to protect my friends uncle`s grocery store in the middle of the riot city, after the riot was over the only store left standing was our store ,why clearly visible from the outside we all had helmets ,flak jackets and fully loaded long weapons ,many of us where posted on the roof and around the perimeter. During Andrew looters broke out throughout the city, no power for 2 weeks in my area, so after been warn by the police that we were on our own ,,we just barricaded our street ,if you didn’t lived in it you just had to drive around . No issues .Numbers dictated the situation any day so getting together with your neighbors or family and planning a proper defense is the best way to go because if you want to be a loner, you will have issues and been paranoid is no great help either.
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Truck Driver
If your asking my personal opinion...
I will say at this moment it's defensive ideas to deter, slow down an enemy, help provide some saftey, create ah obstacles for attacks by foot and vehicles. ..
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Truck, I agree with you, nothing is 100%, if someone/mob is determined enough, they'll get you. All we can do is mitigate as much of the impact as possible. For example, if a thief really wants to break in, they will, but I do as much as I can to convince them the effort to target me is not worth it and to move to the next local. The same with planning home defense, make em move on or even eliminate the threat.
No matter how much we prep, no one is 100% prepared and unforeseens arise, all we can do is lessen that impact.