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: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: KODIAK October 16, 2014, 12:33:52 PM
Got this call last night. Asked about a gun I bought back in 2010, then sold on Fl Gun trader a year later. Asked if I knew who the buyer was. Told him I thought I had a bill of sale. I told him I would look for it and call him back. Well, I could not find it. Called him, left a message.
I have not heard back from him. He did not tell me why he wanted to know, I assume it was used in a crime.
Not really worried, I have not been in Broward County in 15 yrs or more.....
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: Bumbury October 16, 2014, 12:40:37 PM
  
Got this call last night. Asked about a gun I bought back in 2010, then sold on Fl Gun trader a year later. Asked if I knew who the buyer was. Told him I thought I had a bill of sale. I told him I would look for it and call him back. Well, I could not find it. Called him, left a message.
I have not heard back from him. He did not tell me why he wanted to know, I assume it was used in a crime.
Not really worried, I have not been in Broward County in 15 yrs or more.....

well do keep us abreast of the  situation... sounds interesting... just being nosey tho... :o :o  but still curious....   :-\ :-\ ^-^ ^-^
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: fla_native October 17, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
How in the world did they determine that you bought that particular gun ?
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: duhghe October 19, 2014, 12:47:56 AM
  
How in the world did they determine that you bought that particular gun ?

My question as well.  I thought they didn't keep records like that in a non-registry state.  I'm [not at all] shocked.
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: Alas Babylon October 19, 2014, 07:47:50 AM
Same thing happened to a guy I work with. He sold a gun he had purchased new. That person he sold it to sold it to someone else, then it was used in a crime in Georgia.
My friend, the original owner, got a call from police in Georgia. He sent them a letter with name and address of the guy he sold it to.
How did they know? somewhere someone is keeping records or original purchases.
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: fla_native October 19, 2014, 02:03:13 PM
The dealer keeps all that info..... That way, the Feds can still say "What??? No!! We dont register anything"
Instead , they require the dealers to keep the info. When they want it, they visit the dealer. Cheap and effective .
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: Sentry October 19, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Dealers are required to keep sale record for 20 years. After that it's disposed of.
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: Bumbury October 19, 2014, 11:14:59 PM
yep i think those records are original purchases only tho.. i do believe.... ddd ddd
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: Sentry October 20, 2014, 08:40:14 AM
  
yep i think those records are original purchases only tho.. i do believe.... ddd ddd

As far as I know. I have one firearm that is completely off paper.
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: islamoradamark@att.net October 21, 2014, 10:14:07 AM
my lgs told me paperwork is locked in safe and must have warrent to review
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: fla_native October 21, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
"FFL holders are also required to keep a registry of firearms sales in an ATF-approved Bound Book, or a computerized equivalent using ATF-approved software. They must also maintain file copies of "Firearms Transaction Record" documents, for a period of not less than 20 years after the date of sale or disposition. When retiring or otherwise relinquishing a license, these records are sent to the BATFE's Out-of-Business Records Center. The ATF is allowed to inspect, as well as request a copy of the forms from the dealer during the course of a criminal investigation. In addition, the sale of two or more handguns to a person in a five business day period must be reported to ATF."

http://www.get-ffl-license.net/federal-firearms-license-application/ffl-requirements/
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: KODIAK October 21, 2014, 03:26:45 PM
First, I failed to tell you that I bought from an FFL at the Tampa Gun Show...
The Detective called me back this AM. I told him I had a bill of sale, but, I could not find it.. He asked if I could remember when I sold it. I gave him a guess, which is the truth.
He thanked me for my cooperation. Said no problem.
I assume this issue is done. I did not ask why he was loooking for the new owner, assumed he would not tell me anyway.
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: -> Bear October 21, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
Probably making sure it was not stolen...
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: Willbkool October 23, 2014, 02:55:14 PM
So the dealers have to keep the record of sale for 20 years now? It used to be 7. If a dealer goes out of business, they have to send all of the records to the state officials. Guess that I won't be buying anymore new firearms. ;)
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: -> Bear October 25, 2014, 08:46:40 PM
Serial numbers  of the "weapon" could I think show leo the place that sold the gun and they in a criminal investigation would release information on who bought the gun. Therefore it would be a good thing to keep info on sales to point them in a new direction if a crime is committed... I last sold a gun through a "dealer" an never met the new buyer, if something happens I am backed up ...
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: KODIAK October 25, 2014, 09:43:44 PM
I have the bill of sale when I bought the gun, from a dealer. I HAD a bill of sale when I sold it. Just can't find it now.
I am usually better at record keeping.
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: -> Bear October 26, 2014, 08:45:03 PM
Im not insinuating any wrongdoing. An dont know how you operate with, well most any, situation. An I assume you Kodiak did everything possibly proper. Just throwing out my opinions, an thoughts as well as sharing my last sale. My "middle man" an I made some profit an I sold a hardly broken in great condition walther 22pistol so I could get extra money for a new pistol. I settled on a Elsie (Ruger -380)
  An if I upset you in any way I apologize...
: Re: Got a call from a Detective from Broward County
: KODIAK October 27, 2014, 08:56:59 AM
No worries. I don't get rattled much anymore. 40 yrs ago, different story. :o