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General Forum => General Discussion => : KODIAK October 16, 2014, 12:33:52 PM
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Got this call last night. Asked about a gun I bought back in 2010, then sold on Fl Gun trader a year later. Asked if I knew who the buyer was. Told him I thought I had a bill of sale. I told him I would look for it and call him back. Well, I could not find it. Called him, left a message.
I have not heard back from him. He did not tell me why he wanted to know, I assume it was used in a crime.
Not really worried, I have not been in Broward County in 15 yrs or more.....
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Got this call last night. Asked about a gun I bought back in 2010, then sold on Fl Gun trader a year later. Asked if I knew who the buyer was. Told him I thought I had a bill of sale. I told him I would look for it and call him back. Well, I could not find it. Called him, left a message.
I have not heard back from him. He did not tell me why he wanted to know, I assume it was used in a crime.
Not really worried, I have not been in Broward County in 15 yrs or more.....
well do keep us abreast of the situation... sounds interesting... just being nosey tho... :o :o but still curious.... :-\ :-\ ^-^ ^-^
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How in the world did they determine that you bought that particular gun ?
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How in the world did they determine that you bought that particular gun ?
My question as well. I thought they didn't keep records like that in a non-registry state. I'm [not at all] shocked.
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Same thing happened to a guy I work with. He sold a gun he had purchased new. That person he sold it to sold it to someone else, then it was used in a crime in Georgia.
My friend, the original owner, got a call from police in Georgia. He sent them a letter with name and address of the guy he sold it to.
How did they know? somewhere someone is keeping records or original purchases.
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The dealer keeps all that info..... That way, the Feds can still say "What??? No!! We dont register anything"
Instead , they require the dealers to keep the info. When they want it, they visit the dealer. Cheap and effective .
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Dealers are required to keep sale record for 20 years. After that it's disposed of.
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yep i think those records are original purchases only tho.. i do believe.... ddd ddd
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yep i think those records are original purchases only tho.. i do believe.... ddd ddd
As far as I know. I have one firearm that is completely off paper.
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my lgs told me paperwork is locked in safe and must have warrent to review
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"FFL holders are also required to keep a registry of firearms sales in an ATF-approved Bound Book, or a computerized equivalent using ATF-approved software. They must also maintain file copies of "Firearms Transaction Record" documents, for a period of not less than 20 years after the date of sale or disposition. When retiring or otherwise relinquishing a license, these records are sent to the BATFE's Out-of-Business Records Center. The ATF is allowed to inspect, as well as request a copy of the forms from the dealer during the course of a criminal investigation. In addition, the sale of two or more handguns to a person in a five business day period must be reported to ATF."
http://www.get-ffl-license.net/federal-firearms-license-application/ffl-requirements/
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First, I failed to tell you that I bought from an FFL at the Tampa Gun Show...
The Detective called me back this AM. I told him I had a bill of sale, but, I could not find it.. He asked if I could remember when I sold it. I gave him a guess, which is the truth.
He thanked me for my cooperation. Said no problem.
I assume this issue is done. I did not ask why he was loooking for the new owner, assumed he would not tell me anyway.
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Probably making sure it was not stolen...
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So the dealers have to keep the record of sale for 20 years now? It used to be 7. If a dealer goes out of business, they have to send all of the records to the state officials. Guess that I won't be buying anymore new firearms. ;)
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Serial numbers of the "weapon" could I think show leo the place that sold the gun and they in a criminal investigation would release information on who bought the gun. Therefore it would be a good thing to keep info on sales to point them in a new direction if a crime is committed... I last sold a gun through a "dealer" an never met the new buyer, if something happens I am backed up ...
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I have the bill of sale when I bought the gun, from a dealer. I HAD a bill of sale when I sold it. Just can't find it now.
I am usually better at record keeping.
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Im not insinuating any wrongdoing. An dont know how you operate with, well most any, situation. An I assume you Kodiak did everything possibly proper. Just throwing out my opinions, an thoughts as well as sharing my last sale. My "middle man" an I made some profit an I sold a hardly broken in great condition walther 22pistol so I could get extra money for a new pistol. I settled on a Elsie (Ruger -380)
An if I upset you in any way I apologize...
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No worries. I don't get rattled much anymore. 40 yrs ago, different story. :o