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Survival Gear, Weapons & Deals => The Gear Rack => : -> Bear December 16, 2014, 06:25:02 PM
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Looking at the options and things.
A Alice pack, in the city during crises is a target.
Some say messenger bag is the way for city.
Some say dont go with a super large camo hunting bag. A sore thumb, an target.
Lookin at options I dont want a camel back bladder system.
Oh an Mollie straps with "stuff" hooked is a target.
So much online remarks about not this bag. Whats Grey enough to not attract any attention but good enough for the duty, cheap, high dollar ideas,
(Personally I dislike reflectors on bags, shoes, an clothes) what do you know of that is "good, solid, reliable, an Grey."
All thoughts and opinions..
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In my opinion, there is no grey after a collapse. Anyone out moving around will be assessed. The bad survivors will be wondering if you are worth more to them as a friend or as a victim. So for my money, the bad is less important than the manner in which you carry it.
Are you walking down main street laughing and waving to friends? Or are you out in the still hours moving a little and then listening a lot? How stealthy can you be? And why are you out there anyway?
Selco had a lot of good insights in his writings about his experiences. I got more ideas about the dangers of being seen than I did any thoughts on camo bags being worse than non-camo. And he lived it.
I will be curious to hear other opinions on this, but for me, I carry the bags that feel good on my back and get the job done, and worry about patterns less because I will hope you never see me at all.
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Myakka - I totally agree, I had been weighing those exact pros and cons. I went with the USMC 3 day assault pack cause I don't think I want carry any more weight than that can, it's well made, and feels good when worn. Who is Selco?
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If I have to run, it will be with my Molle Rifleman's pack. Note; I would only do this if my rear end was on fire. And, I'm not going into any "urban" areas.
If I have time, I will be dragging my game cart, not carrying anything except personal protection.
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Selco is a survivor of one of the big SHTF events, like Bosnia. I don't honestly remember which. But he lived in a collapsed, besieged city for a very long time, like 9 months during the worst.
He wrote about how people worked out barter for essentials, and how opportunists would try to follow you home from the swap meet.
It was both terrifying and illuminating. I am looking for his website/ writings for another friend. When I can find it I will link it too.
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http://shtfschool.com/about/
Most of what I have read by him has been reposted by others on sites I was on.
This is his site. So I don't know if it is something he is making money on, or subscription based.
What I did read of his story and insights was good.
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I remember him. Ended up burning furniture and door moldings for heat...Tough stuff. You are right, makes you really think.
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My idea was more of a ec/ghb type. Something you may take on a bus, in a mall. An if something happens then you got something to get out to a second location...
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Don't think this is a, one size fits all thing. Everyone will have there own idea.
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Don't think this is a, one size fits all thing. Everyone will have there own idea.
^ I think this is the best way to go about it. ^
Also agree with myakka. If it gets to the point where you are moving around and relying on a pack then it won't really matter how grey it is. Of course there's circumstances where low key will be a preference but other times the exact opposite might be. Posturing has been discussed before and it works the same way as this pack discussion IMO. Everyone is gonna be a little bit different.
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If you are caught in a situation where looting and other forms of lawlessness is breaking out (remember Katrina), the last thing you want to do is stand out from the crowd.
It’s at those times that you want to be the Gray Man and fade into the background.
If your Get-Home Bag screams “tactical” or looks like you’re carrying a load of preps, you could be a target. For that reason, the main thing you want to ensure is that the bag is discreet.
If you’re female, you’ve already got it made. A purse is discreet but also the larger handbags are often seen being carried by women so not only do they blend in well but they can carry a bunch of stuff.
For you guys, a simple messenger bag works wonders. Especially in the cities, messenger bags are seen being carried by guys more and more so they blend in real well.
If you can’t deal with the Man Purses, go for a standard back pack.
Seen this somewhere online. .
20, or a 30L bag from Wal-Mart? One in the hiking section is what im thinking, cost is around 30$ or under... I like to keep options open...
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Hiking attire is about as neutral as you can look and still be functional ready...
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I don't know Nat..... This "hiking" look of yours is suspect in my opinion.
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Myakka that you!? If so dressing like that in SOME German areas you wont draw too much attention. Anywhere else I think imo, You might or get beat. I wouldn't wear that or the kilt (a second time).
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Well, many would stay clear of the Crazies....
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Selco had it right and like myakka said he lived it... shtf no matter what you look like or what you carrying after the die off you will be a target if your carrying anything... so you might as well carry what you will need and be concerned about how and when you move..
as i said on another thread when my mom was a little girl during the korean conflict/war her father who fought the Japs during ww2 as a korean partisian fighter saved his family 3 girls 1 boy and the wife by knowing how to move, when to move and where to move... these skills are going to be critical when tshtf... considering my moms experience everybody looked a like (refugees) carrying similar items but im sure their were people who had differant items too.. plus the scavenging that went on at different sites, mom said they took things from the dead from a train that had been attacked by NKorean aircraft and abandoned homes helped sustained them..
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In a situation like that(SHTF), I see nothing wrong with taking supplies from the dead. I would consider it foolish to leave useable items.
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In a situation like that(SHTF), I see nothing wrong with taking supplies from the dead. I would consider it foolish to leave useable items.
i have to agree with ya here... move at night for distance, stay out of the high visible areas and use the day light for foraging.. using every opportunity no matter how bad the scene is for sustenance for whatever your needs are or could be in the future..
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In a situation like that(SHTF), I see nothing wrong with taking supplies from the dead. I would consider it foolish to leave useable items.
im no cannibal! Just a "spamable" I NEED SPAM!!! Where's the spam!
Oh geez please,
Take all you want leave me live! An most may run.. say WHAAAA?!? :) !!??
Seriously though I wouldn't mind getting extra useful items. Even from the departed. But im not carving out ???. So its Okay. If you could do so strip them of most things an as thanks if you again are able. Bury them. Be a hoarder!! Just as long as you can carry. An scoot, an shoot..
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In a true Hit the fan morally i dont think its right to take from somebody like robbing them, ambushing them or stealing behind their back.... BUT im sitting on my couch stuffing my face with chips at 2352...LOL.. so what do i know... anything that i need that somebody cant use because the house is deserted, the person is deceased, or they are dead because they tried to kill me and i got lucky and got them...
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AS people become more prepared, the become less have gun will travel and take. The better prepared you feel, the more moral you feel. Perhaps its the work it took to get there that makes that happen.