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Survivalist's Resources & Preparedness => Survivalist Tools => : Anthony January 14, 2015, 04:26:46 PM
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Rich Romans used goose feathers - but most just walked around smelling like an overloaded litter box.
Until they went to a public bath and soaked the dried fudge off - and swam around in each other's M&M's.
Someday the TP will run out and books will become TP - until the books are gone.
I keep a box of the cheapest washcloths I could buy. You use one and toss it in a lidded container. On a regular schedule the cloths are boiled - this kills any bacteria and loosens any heavy butter. They may be stained but after sun drying on a line will be clean enough for reuse.
For you Jeremiah Johnsons there is 3-Way TP.
1. first wipe, fold in half
2. deuce two, fold in quarters
3. boil the nasty thing
Better your pack smells like a litter box than your body.
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Heard my grandparents speak of using ol corn cobs.
Then theres babywipes, leaves, an yes cloth, as well as any paper (some wad it up enough till "soft") & lather rinse repeat.
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Careful with leaves - leaf piles are a favorite hiding place for juvenile scorpions.
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Leaf pile, use fresh leaves old ones fall apart.
:)
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or if water is abundant you can set up a modified bidet to clean yourself.
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thinking outside the box i get boxes of Kleenex to store for TP sub's they are uniformly shaped, cheaper than TP and they have multiple uses... But like everything else they to will run out...
considering the smell thing being around people who are not able to shower or wash daily a little poo butter smell will just add to the adventure... or by that time will people really care....?
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:) lil lovin be different Bro.
The poo butter ya mentioned B do make a difference! Maybe by then I will be like a celibate Loony Monk. Rambling to ghosts of lost past.
Thinking of running out, women's legs an No Razors... mens beards. BE a Funky Frightening time.. ahhh!!B) ???
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if and when the TP runs out the suicide rate will increase 2 fold... ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
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So will croch rot, an STD's. Bumbury
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http://www.offthegridnews.com/2012/08/20/oh-no-there-is-no-toilet-paper-what-do-i-do/
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http://www.offthegridnews.com/2012/08/20/oh-no-there-is-no-toilet-paper-what-do-i-do/
nice ideas here.. something im going to give a try... expecially the plants...
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The lambs ear plant I'm pretty sure I've seen in green swamp but it definitely didn't look like a plant I want to use on my rear but if it's safe it's good to know but until then I'll keep my biodegradable wet ones.
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The lambs ear plant I'm pretty sure I've seen in green swamp but it definitely didn't look like a plant I want to use on my rear but if it's safe it's good to know but until then I'll keep my biodegradable wet ones.
iv seen the lambs ear at home depo and my neighbor has one in his yard... it looks like it might have possabilities but i dont know anything about the plant... other than it will grow in my neighborhood... guess i'll have to read up on it...
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Time to think outside the box.
This fits into a standard water bottle. Fill with warm water, aim, squeeze, then dry. Nice and simple. Nothing to stock up on, and it keeps things nice and clean. Don't under-estimate the problems - serious problems - that can develop from poor personal hygiene. Here's the Amazon link - http://www.amazon.com/Hygienna-Solo/dp/B00CDPCHLU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1423278128&sr=8-7&keywords=portable+bidet+sprayer (http://www.amazon.com/Hygienna-Solo/dp/B00CDPCHLU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1423278128&sr=8-7&keywords=portable+bidet+sprayer).
Yes, I have one. Several, actually.
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Time to think outside the box.
This fits into a standard water bottle. Fill with warm water, aim, squeeze, then dry. Nice and simple. Nothing to stock up on, and it keeps things nice and clean. Don't under-estimate the problems - serious problems - that can develop from poor personal hygiene. Here's the Amazon link - http://www.amazon.com/Hygienna-Solo/dp/B00CDPCHLU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1423278128&sr=8-7&keywords=portable+bidet+sprayer (http://www.amazon.com/Hygienna-Solo/dp/B00CDPCHLU/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1423278128&sr=8-7&keywords=portable+bidet+sprayer).
Yes, I have one. Several, actually.
stephen nice find... i like it.. going to get me some...
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Before I discovered these, I had a pump up garden sprayer that I kept set aside just for that purpose. This works far better though. The sprayer is now being used for its intended purpose.
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hey Stephen- great find on the website. I will be getting a few of them. Thanks.
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I'm kinda hoping I don't outlive toilet paper. To me, it's the foundation of civilized society...
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I'm kinda hoping I don't outlive toilet paper. To me, it's the foundation of civilized society...
::cg ::cg ::cg
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wife and i rearranged and took count of all our supplies over the weekend.got 284 rolls of tp
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284?
I have a ways to get there. I might get close to a hundred rolls of True T-P paper. Then I might use the 20ish mega paper towel rolls I have left. Sams sells a pack of 15 mega rolls, try getting a pack when I make it there the 15 mega roll pack says they equal 30rolls but IDNK.
FYI seen a rain barrel at tractor supply that holds a supposed 50gallons of rain water, I just thought of it it has a spigot at the bottom. Maybe a hose, turn on the spigot an rinse off for months... or fill a water can an rinse off butter bottom. Think if mounted could be a outside shower option..
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Hey guys how about using the old style of enema bag? It holds a quart of water and has the hose and small stick to wash the soiled area.
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Heres my math on this and it's using 6 sheets per wipe.
Toilet paper
One roll of toilet paper has 374 sheets
Which allows for 62 uses
62 uses divided by three uses daily equals 20 days
20 days goes into 365 days at 18 rolls per year
18 rolls times four persons equals 73 rolls per year
73 rolls X five years equals 365 rolls
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thinking outside the box i get boxes of Kleenex to store for TP sub's they are uniformly shaped, cheaper than TP and they have multiple uses... But like everything else they to will run out...
considering the smell thing being around people who are not able to shower or wash daily a little poo butter smell will just add to the adventure... or by that time will people really care....?
I'd like to see Kleenex being cheaper... Not sure how you are coming to this conclusion... I cannot see it being cheaper. I just looked on Amazon (I know you can get stuff cheap) and there is a hell of a difference in price...
TP is just as usable as Kleenex
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Check out the women's section at survivalist boards. Try searching for "family cloth." If you're a dude, you can't post but you can read (the guys tend to really muck up the threads). Lots of info about using & cleaning the cloth wipes as well as using different types of spray/squirt containers before the wiping process, which apparently really cuts down on the pooh.
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I see storing mountains of TP as being like storing a mountain of tampons. You don't need to spend all the money and waste all the space on either one. And if you're bugging out or just on the road with a limited amount of space, you've got more important things to carry.
Instead of TP use family cloth and squirt bottles.
Instead of tampons use a menstrual cup (e.g., Diva Cup). There are also plenty of patterns on line to sew reusable sanitary pads.
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Part of my back up plan includes the paper napkins. My wife is a chronic yard sale shopper. Since we have a high concentration of military in the area, their pre-moving yard sales include all kinds of things. Paper products are very common as they clean out their kitchen. One time she came home with about 5 large packages of high quality napkins. I vac-packed them in 300 count packages. They vac-pack down to a very small package. They would make great TP substitutes. Can't be flushed, but a small burn barrel solves the problem. Modern TP is a technology marvel, but it is not multi-use. Napkins have a thousand uses; cleaning, hand drying, even an emergency bandage. The better ones can even be used as a pre-filter for water to remove the gunk.
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seige those are good ideas.. i do think most ladies have a better plan for backups on these issues... so any links would much be appreciated...
Sentry.. i do get at sams 6 lager boxes of kleenex which are larger sheets than the TP for around 10.00 and the average 12 count tp is running around 8 to 13 depending brand and has less total sq foot of paper...
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Interesting thread!
I buy bulk from BJ's for my short term shtf TP needs, as much as I can store, its a commodity which will always be used.
Ive always been fastenated with making paper but never tried. I've seen shows showing how the Chinese have been doing it for thousands of years, fastenating. Never really thought about doing it for a shtf scenario. The person who can make TP would be king in TEOTWAWKI scenario!
You just make highly saturated pureed paper water solution then screen it out in sheets. It takes a huge degree of skill to get the thickness and consistancy right. Plant pulp was used
Many times I have taken newspaper/magazines, crumpled it soft and used that. Bet the majority of sheeple wouldnt even think of doing that!
Makes storing Clorox even more important for disinfecting our rags or maybe even dying the paper we make.
Luckily, in FL we have better water options for washing rags.
Just my $0.02 rambling thoughts on TP :)
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Brings a different outlook to SHTF....
Maybe we should refer here to SHTPaper...
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Interesting thread!
I buy bulk from BJ's for my short term shtf TP needs, as much as I can store, its a commodity which will always be used.
Ive always been fastenated with making paper but never tried. I've seen shows showing how the Chinese have been doing it for thousands of years, fastenating. Never really thought about doing it for a shtf scenario. The person who can make TP would be king in TEOTWAWKI scenario!
You just make highly saturated pureed paper water solution then screen it out in sheets. It takes a huge degree of skill to get the thickness and consistancy right. Plant pulp was used
Many times I have taken newspaper/magazines, crumpled it soft and used that. Bet the majority of sheeple wouldnt even think of doing that!
Makes storing Clorox even more important for disinfecting our rags or maybe even dying the paper we make.
Luckily, in FL we have better water options for washing rags.
Just my $0.02 rambling thoughts on TP :)
Hey Tox--in the downloads section here you can find a document on storing and making bleach. I saw you mention Clorox (and that you are new here) so I'm not sure if you're aware that regular off-the-shelf liquid bleach retains its full effectiveness for only about 6-12 months. I think I posted a document there. Oh yes--now I remember--I did post one there--I also included info for disinfecting wells. Because you never know when a zombie might fall in.
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Bumbury
Here are some pics I took at the store or products and prices...
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Couple more
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Buying my Toilet Paper packs cost 6.59 I get 12 rolls of 374 sheets totaling 4488 sheets.
I'll say I use 16 sheets a day. Giving me 280 days worth of TP
Napkins
Purchase 1 pack at 3.49 for 500 sheets.
We'll say 1 napkin per use for arguments sake. (Someone need to test this) Well use 4 sheets per day.
Giving us 125 days worth of Napkins.
Double that to get us closer, 250 days. Id have to pay $6.58 for two packs I pay 1 cent more for 30 more days.
Kleenex
If I buy the Sale Price of kleenex I get 800 sheets for $5.00.
Well say maybe we can get away with 1 tissue per use. Again 4 sheets per day.
That's 200 days worth of tissue.
If we add another box for maybe a 1.30? That's another 200, and closer to the cost of my TP. Giving us 1000 sheets. That's still only 250 days worth of use.
In the end (pardon the pun) my tushy will be cleaner for 30 more days than yours. And I may have paid 20 cents more than you.
The numbers I use for use are based on going 4 times per day using 4 sheets of toilet paper per use.
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thinking outside the box i get boxes of Kleenex to store for TP sub's they are uniformly shaped, cheaper than TP and they have multiple uses... But like everything else they to will run out...
considering the smell thing being around people who are not able to shower or wash daily a little poo butter smell will just add to the adventure... or by that time will people really care....?
I can understand the need for multi use when it comes to certain items...
How many uses does a Kleenex have. Sure you can wipe up a small mess. You cant get it wet and use it, it will fall apart.
Im sure you already have rags in the house. Use those.
Hell we were using paper towels for the first 6-7 years in our house. I started thinking about it one day. I was wasting money using them to do everything that I used to use rags for... Now I just buy different types of rags, they are reusable and even the cheap dish rags will allow more uses before they fall apart.
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Heres my math on this and it's using 6 sheets per wipe.
Toilet paper
One roll of toilet paper has 374 sheets
Which allows for 62 uses
62 uses divided by three uses daily equals 20 days
20 days goes into 365 days at 18 rolls per year
18 rolls times four persons equals 73 rolls per year
73 rolls X five years equals 365 rolls
Wow. Six sheets per wipe? Maybe I'm some kind of freak of nature, but I use a heck of a lot more than six sheets. Of course, I use the single-ply Scott's (1000 sheets per roll) and fold it over... and over... and over, because I will tell you this, my friends, nothing is worse than a "bust through"! :-[
I guess I could count sheets, but what I did to figure out how long a roll would last was simply to see how many days it would last before I had to replace it. Of course, I had to take into account that I was not always at home when nature called. I did the same with a lot of consumables like soap, shampoo, toothpaste, etc. What I came up with was that our family (six living at home at that time) used 91 rolls of single-ply Scott's per year. Right now I'm sitting on (no pun intended) about 200 rolls, so I'll be sitting pretty when the S hits the F. Still, I intend to buy more.
Can you have too much toilet paper? No way! Toilet paper will be a great barter item. Besides, it's cheap and easy to store. Why would you not have lots of toilet paper? The old-timers on this forum will remember a discussion about alternatives to toilet paper. Someone suggested coffee filters. My point then, and still is today, why would you use coffee filters? They cost a lot more than toilet paper, and are not as effective. Instead of stockpiling coffee filters to use as toilet paper, why not just stockpile TP?
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Sentry and EX all good points and good math... too.. im like EX when it comes to usage i have 2 women that are in the house so 1 roll lasts about 3 days if we are lucky... i do have TP stashed away along with the napkins and even news papers in case i have to... ^-^ well really the news papers are for soaking in water and tying together to make fire logs but i figure just in case... like everything else back to the drawing board uggg......
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Interesting thread!
I buy bulk from BJ's for my short term shtf TP needs, as much as I can store, its a commodity which will always be used.
Ive always been fastenated with making paper but never tried. I've seen shows showing how the Chinese have been doing it for thousands of years, fastenating. Never really thought about doing it for a shtf scenario. The person who can make TP would be king in TEOTWAWKI scenario!
You just make highly saturated pureed paper water solution then screen it out in sheets. It takes a huge degree of skill to get the thickness and consistancy right. Plant pulp was used
Many times I have taken newspaper/magazines, crumpled it soft and used that. Bet the majority of sheeple wouldnt even think of doing that!
Makes storing Clorox even more important for disinfecting our rags or maybe even dying the paper we make.
Luckily, in FL we have better water options for washing rags.
Just my $0.02 rambling thoughts on TP :)
Hey Tox--in the downloads section here you can find a document on storing and making bleach. I saw you mention Clorox (and that you are new here) so I'm not sure if you're aware that regular off-the-shelf liquid bleach retains its full effectiveness for only about 6-12 months. I think I posted a document there. Oh yes--now I remember--I did post one there--I also included info for disinfecting wells. Because you never know when a zombie might fall in.
Excellent point siege, Thanks so much, I'll check it out!
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Toxoph you can also use these: EVOLVE bleach tablest 1 tables is concentrated enough to make 1 gal of standard bleach just make sure to get the regular unscented tablets you can get them at walmart for 3.95 for a jar of 30 tablets... the web site also has a coupon that you can download... these are great for long term storage and hold up very well.. plus you adjust the strength of the mixed product by putting in more tablets to water ratio...
http://evolveproducts.com/products/evolve-bleach-tablets/
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I can foresee a scene where I have no socks, no shirts with tails, and my clothes are disappearing piece by piece...
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You need to keep those dreams to yourself, or I suppose you can share them with the Admiral... Not us though... ;)
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I can foresee a scene where I have no socks, no shirts with tails, and my clothes are disappearing piece by piece...
i have to agree with Sentry here like Seige would say "need to bleach clean my brain" with that mental image...
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hahaha,,, Don't panic, there is still plenty of toilet paper!
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Skid marks in the yard before I use my socks. Well, I could use your socks.....
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Oh yeah, socks are too important to me to desecrate them like that.
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Ive been waiting to see but yalls education is sorely lacking....
We grew up using this!
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Ahhh! Spanish Moss and chiggers I remember using it from back in my Camp Fire Girl days.
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Yea not trying to get a bug in or on my ass.
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Spanish moss is waaaay to porous for my tastes. Remember what I said... NOTHING is worse than a bust-through.