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General Forum => General Discussion => : -> Bear March 13, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
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Fire, or used, looted, , what have ya.
You can get water, an shelter. Ammo is low..
You been getting squirrels, an fruits from trees, an blackberrys. "Lean" times, what to DO? Garden seeds are low, but tatters are coming soon.
Your bugged in been attacked, neighbors/friends died off. . . What do ya do for food?
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We are all surrounded by food, all the time. I have not learned as much as I should about native edibles, but I know some basics already. I also have native edible books, and know how to use them.
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So, you created a "scenario" asking what would we do if we lost, or used all our food?
Just making sure I'm understanding
I'll answer later when I have more time
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It's true. You're surrounded by food. Maybe you might have to develop a different perspective on what you would consider food but it's everywhere.
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I have future plans to try to lure Mr. Myakka into the woods and make him teach me more about wild edibles. He is a great resource, as a matter of fact, why don't y'all help me with this?
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Leaves of three is good for thee. Or something like that........... :o
Makes good toilet paper too.
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Hey Myakka, not questioning your know'n of such things but I think that one belongs in the toilet paper thread. Just a suggestion. ;D
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Funny thing, I had someone ask me a while back about another vine, they grabbed a handful and asked me if I knew what it was.
I said yes..... Virginia Creeper (It is a cousin of Poison Ivy.) It also has the urushiol oil but at lesser amounts.
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Still 3 leaves? Crawls, color maybe green to reddish brown. Virginia creeper like that?
Strangely enough, I worked with a guy who showed me a few mushrooms. I hate mushrooms anyway. But he said which one could I "eat"? Said not sure picked one, he says that is a bad one. This one here dont eat leave it for me these are Good Shrooms... I laughed. He died some time back, wrecked a croch rockt. He knew lots of plant an tree stuff..
Know that there is a way to eat Acorns.
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I have a couple of books on edible plants, one discusses what the Indians ate and the other is general. I cannot say I have spent to much time with them. But if I ran out of food? I guess I would have to. That's it, that's all I got... I guess we can say the landscape after the animals are gone is going to look pretty thin...
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I have a couple of books on edible plants, one discusses what the Indians ate and the other is general. I cannot say I have spent to much time with them. But if I ran out of d? I guess I would have to. That's it, that's all I got... I guess we can say the landscape after the animals are gone is going to look pretty thin...
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I agree. Most of us are lacking in the edibles area. I too have books. I need to get out and put those books to practical use.
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I don't like mushrooms. Too easy to get dead. Polyspores are like hiding a deadly inside a friendly.
Acorns have to be leached to remove the tannins. White oaks have more (?) than red or vice/versa.
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I've got some books on edibles but, when I get to looking at a plant, it matches the picture of both edible and poisonous plants. Really hard to tell from a book. Least for me. I learnt some good stuff from Mr. Myakka last trip but he put a lot more info on me than my old brain could absorb. I did learn that there are a lot of poisons mixed in with the edibles...
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I've got some books on edibles but, when I get to looking at a plant, it matches the picture of both edible and poisonous plants. Really hard to tell from a book. Least for me. I learnt some good stuff from Mr. Myakka last trip but he put a lot more info on me than my old brain could absorb. I did learn that there are a lot of poisons mixed in with the edibles...
Yea, I run into that to
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I don't like mushrooms. Too easy to get dead. Polyspores are like hiding a deadly inside a friendly.
Acorns have to be leached to remove the tannins. White oaks have more (?) than red or vice/versa.
I believe that you are correct about the white oaks having higher amounts of tannin. I remember reading that somewhere. Cool thing is that you can even do some things with the byproduct of that leaching or even from attempting to harvest it from the bark. I wanna say that it makes a good anti bacterial wash but I haven't tried it out.
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Let me just go on the record as saying it will have to be pretty dire straits before I'd be out scroungin' for grubs and leaves like an animal. Yes, it can be done, and yes, I know a some (not all) about wild edibles. However, I do not share the view that nature is some all-you-can-eat buffet. Living like that would be miserable, at best. But for the sake of playing along with the scenario...
If it were only my house that were looted, I would beg or barter with my neighbors. That's assuming the S had not totally hit the F. Now if it had, and we were living in the PAW, and I had bugged in to my home here in Expendable Acres, I would think that I wouldn't have a lot of neighbors left. I'd be scroungin' like never before, looking for goodies left behind by everyone who had bugged out and couldn't carry everything (or been raptured, leaving heathens like me behind).
Seriously, my stockpiles are there to buy me some time to get my garden going full bore. My plan is once the other shoe drops (or the balloon goes up... pick your metaphor), I would begin fishing, gardening, etc. Once my stockpiles are somewhat deleted, I would (hopefully) have a good start on self-sufficiency. If I lost those stockpiles, I would have to start fishing a little earlier than planned.
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Let me just go on the record as saying it will have to be pretty dire straits before I'd be out scroungin' for grubs and leaves like an animal. Yes, it can be done, and yes, I know a some (not all) about wild edibles. However, I do not share the view that nature is some all-you-can-eat buffet. Living like that would be miserable, at best. But for the sake of playing along with the scenario...
If it were only my house that were looted, I would beg or barter with my neighbors. That's assuming the S had not totally hit the F. Now if it had, and we were living in the PAW, and I had bugged in to my home here in Expendable Acres, I would think that I wouldn't have a lot of neighbors left. I'd be scroungin' like never before, looking for goodies left behind by everyone who had bugged out and couldn't carry everything (or been raptured, leaving heathens like me behind).
Seriously, my stockpiles are there to buy me some time to get my garden going full bore. My plan is once the other shoe drops (or the balloon goes up... pick your metaphor), I would begin fishing, gardening, etc. Once my stockpiles are somewhat deleted, I would (hopefully) have a good start on self-sufficiency. If I lost those stockpiles, I would have to start fishing a little earlier than planned.
"Scenario"
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Good point.
If you ever find me in a field with a beard down to my belt buckle mumbling incoherently and trying to catch grasshoppers please, give me a snack.
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Good point.
If you ever find me in a field with a beard down to my belt buckle mumbling incoherently and trying to catch grasshoppers please, give me a snack.
Ill keep a twinkie just for that scenario
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i would have to catch alot fish thats easy for me but need to learn what kind of seeweed to eat
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Looked at books as well, an same thing, the poison plants confused me.
Some grasshoppers eating poisonous plants become poisonous.
Not any fish ponds with in 5min of me.
An if ammo for squirrels run out I might try, rat traps.
Thinking now about the lost settlement. Called Roanoke. An what they ate that I heard. Like boot strap stew, boiling bones an drinking the water, eating rat an mice, birds.
But I know if it got that bad I hope humanity dont turn cannibalistic.
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Ice chest in back of my truck has the better parts of a nice boar in it.
I don't foresee cannibalism in my future.
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... Not any fish ponds with in 5min of me.
An if ammo for squirrels run out I might try, rat traps. ...
I believe I would walk 60 minutes to eat fish rather than eat rats out of my back yard. Just my own preference.
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EX is right the food we have will only buy you time for several things.... to get the garden going, be alive after the die off and add extra sustanabilities to the gardern when it does come in.. their is food like wild ediables and stuff and as far as fising goes trout lines and the such.. wild fruits on trees and scavaging houses business, buildings and warehouses...
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EX is right the food we have will only buy you time for several things.... to get the garden going, be alive after the die off and add extra sustanabilities to the gardern when it does come in.. their is food like wild ediables and stuff and as far as fising goes trout lines and the such.. wild fruits on trees and scavaging houses business, buildings and warehouses...
Across the pond behind my house there are wild blackberries. If I were feeling industrious I could probably pick a gallon or two of fruit. I might even be able to get three gallons if I stayed out in the hot sun for half the day, bent over, killing my old back. The plants only bear fruit once a year, in the spring. In fact, I was walking around the pond yesterday and saw lots of fruit that was almost ready to pick. I could preserve them and it would make a tasty little occasional treat, but that amount of fruit is not going to sustain anyone for very long. I know that if you can find wild blueberries you could pick a gallon or two. There are none near my house. I would have to walk maybe five or ten miles to find some. So for a whole day of walking in the sun and a couple of hours of picking berries I might get two gallons of fruit. Again, that is not going to sustain anyone for very long.
I'm not saying that knowledge of wild edibles is not important. I think it is. However, I look at that as a short-term survival skill, like if you are lost in the woods or if you are hiking 60 miles back home after an EMP disables your car. As far as a long-term plan for sustainability, I just don't think it's feasible, especially when you also have to feed two-point-four kids and a disabled mother-in-law and a three-legged dog.
No sir, I firmly believe the best strategy is to use your stockpiles to buy time while you get your sustainable food sources up and running. Gardening, fishing, hunting, or bartering with those that do... that's my goal. And before anyone says, "well what about if the planet Niburu collides with earth" or "what happens when the zombies steal your stuff", I know, I know, anything could happen and I will not... CAN NOT... be prepared for everything. I just need to focus on the most likely way to ensure the survival of my family and friends.
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No sir, I firmly believe the best strategy is to use your stockpiles to buy time while you get your sustainable food sources up and running. Gardening, fishing, hunting, or bartering with those that do... that's my goal. And before anyone says, "well what about if the planet Niburu collides with earth" or "what happens when the zombies steal your stuff", I know, I know, anything could happen and I will not... CAN NOT... be prepared for everything. I just need to focus on the most likely way to ensure the survival of my family and friends.
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this, EX is the best we can all do no matter the situation or cause of the collapse.. the knowledge we gain while we have the liberty to do so in the end is going to be really just as important as the stuff we have in the beginning to get us up and going to sustainability.. will we be successful only god knows and i hope to never find out.. but things are really looking kinda out of control or scripted depending on your perspective
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[quote author=The Expendable
No sir, I firmly believe the best strategy is to use your stockpiles to buy time while you get your sustainable food sources up and running. Gardening, fishing, hunting, or bartering with those that do... that's my goal. And before anyone says, "well what about if the planet Niburu collides with earth" or "what happens when the zombies steal your stuff", I know, I know, anything could happen and I will not... CAN NOT... be prepared for everything. I just need to focus on the most likely way to ensure the survival of my family and friends.
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this, EX is the best we can all do no matter the situation or cause of the collapse.. the knowledge we gain while we have the liberty to do so in the end is going to be really just as important as the stuff we have in the beginning to get us up and going to sustainability.. will we be successful only god knows and i hope to never find out.. but things are really looking kinda out of control or scripted depending on your perspective
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Bum, as usual, you nailed it.
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I may have gotten all this started with my response about native food being all around us.
Native food is part of my plan, but not even a main part (just like I don't count on Social Security as part of my retirement).
I used the initial post as my reference -which was: your food is all gone, and you don't have much to go on, so what do you so.
So what do you do when your garden has been destroyed, your food stocks are gone, and you have no resupply?
My "by the book" plan is to sparingly use my long term food supply while I increase the size of my existing garden. I always have something growing. Harvested peas , carrots, lettuce, greens, tomatoes, and eggs yesterday. (On my soap box -DONT WAIT to learn to grow your own. Its harder than you think to be consistently successful). Resupply is the only sane way to prepare. But if something happens, a personal SHTF within the big SHTF, (i.e. hail storm, fire, raiders, disease or other crop damge) then you have to think ahead and about what you can do until that garden is back into production.
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AB, you're right, and yeah, I've strayed from the original topic a bit. In response to what you posted, I agree that no one should wait until the S hits the F to start learning how to garden or whatever. I've said that my plan is to have my stockpile tide me over until I can get my garden, etc., online. Thst doesn't mean I'm sitting back doing nothing. It just means I'm not going full blast. I have my "test garden" for now, which is a 4x12 raised bed garden. I have several fruit trees in my yard. It's all I have time for while working full time, fighting with the HOA, working on the car, helping my mom get around, etc. Now once the other shoe drops I assume I will not be going to work anymore, so my full time job will be transforming my whole yard into a garden, fishing, etc. For now, I guess the knowledge about how to do these things is more important than actually doing them. Your garden could be overrun by zombies and your preps could be burned up, but if you have the skills and knowledge, it can't be taken away... which I guess is a good answer to the original post.
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here's a couple of web sites that i use to forage for food.. you can post your stuff you find and you can set locations for stuff other people have found this is stuff in mostly public places... this is an interactive map that iv used to set locations around my area for seasonal fruit. i dont post but i mark on a seperate pad the positions and type of fruit..
check them out:
https://fallingfruit.org/?locale=en
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/have-you-ever-tried-urban-foraging-interactive-online-map-can-help.html
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard that picking out safe plant life to eat can be tricky if you do not know what you're looking for or at. So I suppose it would be fruitful for one to start learning what safe and what's not and to practice identifying to make the transition to finding fordable food easier than having to be dependent on catching animals to eat. I've been thinking about picking up a safe plant life book for Florida being that this is where I live so I could more easily find foragable plant life.
Any good books written for Florida plant life that anybody knows of?
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The Peterson's Field Guide for,wild edibles of the South East is the best book. Www.eattheweeds.com is the best website. And the owner of,the site , green Dean, famous on Facebook, does guided hikes and teaches you.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I've heard that picking out safe plant life to eat can be tricky if you do not know what you're looking for or at. So I suppose it would be fruitful for one to start learning what safe and what's not and to practice identifying to make the transition to finding fordable food easier than having to be dependent on catching animals to eat. I've been thinking about picking up a safe plant life book for Florida being that this is where I live so I could more easily find foragable plant life.
Any good books written for Florida plant life that anybody knows of?
also sign up for the green deans news letter and you'll get once a week something about an ediable plant with pictures and all sorts of good stuff in your email... also he does eat the weeds seasnonal foraging tours at different locations/environments for i believe 30 a person for a couple of hrs and with a hike
also if your not sure their is a testing protocall to see if the plant your tryng to eat is ediable: also with pictures:
http://www.wikihow.com/Test-if-a-Plant-Is-Edible
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Have on my list,
Water collection, (buying at TSC, or sams)
An a small in ground puddle for fish.
Ok. An need more seeds. (An to plant those potatoes soon)
Need more Annual producing things.
More guns an truck loads of Ammunition.
An maybe a army to help! :) Thanks for all thoughts, opinions, an important input into this thread...
My oh My so much do accomplish.