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Survival Gear, Weapons & Deals => The Gear Rack => : goinpostal March 31, 2010, 06:41:58 AM
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Here's some picks of the plate carrier:Front
,Rear
,Plate pockets
,These are the NIJ threat level IIIA hard panels/plates.They have a 25yr warranty(Kevlar last between 3,and 5yrs),and are supposed reusable after taking hits.(I'll have a range report next weekend):
,Thickness
.I still have to trim the plates to fit the carrier,but figure I'll do that after plinking at one of them.I'm also thinking about applying some spray on bed liner for GP.If I get enough interest I'm thinking about going into buisness selling them to the law abiding.What do you think?Matt
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I can get these plate carriers in black and numerous mil spec camo and colors.Matt
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I had to vote for the lowest price.....If I want one it's going to have to be at a Walmart price ;D
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What's the price Matt? If they are affordable, I might get one in black and one in multicam.
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I'm not sure on the price yet.That's why I put up the poll so I can get a feel for what the market will bear.Anybody I sold to would have to be willing to wait several weeks(3-4)for a face 2 face.The carriers are being shipped from AU.,and they're made in China.It took me 3wks to get mine,and a week longer to get my plates.About the lowest price I've seen for other new manufactured level IIIA vest's is $350.00+shipping.I'm thinking maybe half that price +shipping,but I dont know for sure.This whole deal is just in the planning,and depends on peoples response.I can get the bodyshaped, kidney,and higher threat level panels(dont know the pricing yet).There are variety of pouch set ups.They even have HiCap AK mag pouches available.Anything extra would require more funds from the buyer.I can also order and cut these plates to custom fit any plate carrier.Any buyer would also have to show proof that they are not a felon,so that I dont become one.A FL. DL# ending with a"0"is supposed to mean your clean.I'm still as I said in an exploratory stage.Matt
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I have some soft level 2 stuff that have empty plate holders over the trama area.. Been wondering about budget options for getting a plate in there.... A hunk of that stuff looks like a good match.
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made in china sub standard PC- 40$
Non-tested- non stand alone plates- 20$
you asked, for an opinion.Plus over the last year or so many companies ( 5:11,BHI,condor,voodoo,TT to name a few)have been selling PC's off for under 100$.
What are the details of the plates besides being ballistic/non ballistic kevlar, that is resin bonded??
The point of plates is to stop a rifle round. If they do not do that than it is just weight vs running soft armor with a trauma plate.Curios to see how they hold up.
Also what is the denier of the cordora It looks like lower 500 with DWR backing like most of the china stuff on the market and the fastex look to be of the same quality. Which from what i have seen is VERY hit and miss on how it holds up. Even the one piece of china gear i have that gets a ton of use is no longer in use because it just cant handle it.Other pieces have fallen apart after 1-2 training days.
I am not a gear snob, far from it. But have learned that anything i plan to trust my life to i want to make sure it works as needed and it is better to buy "once" vs cry twice.
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Matt the DL# thingy is not true...need to use some other means to determine someone's felony status.
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These plates for one are not short lived(3-5yr)Kevlar.Its has a 25yr+lifespan,can be shot more than once without throwing it away,and is a bonded fiberglass,polyester,polymer composite that is used mainly for hardening military facilities(project backstop),indoor pistol ranges,and safe rooms.It was originally developed for composite leaf springs for the Corvette.It's use as a bullet resistant material was only discovered a couple of years ago.The cost is also less than half the price of a similar sized kevlar panel/plate.I plan on doing a limited range test on it(I only have a.22,.32,9mm,and20guage to test with) before trying to sell any of it.It is supposed to stop a 12gauge deer slug at 10'ft,and upto a .44mag even when shot from a pistol caliber rifle.Mattngs
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As for the quality of the plate carrier,I was actually suprised with its construction.It looks to be as durable as some of the high$$ gear I've looked at that are twice the price.But to each his own.If you want panels/hard plates for a different carrier PM your E-mail address to me and I can link you to the Ebay listing.The panels/plates I'm getting are samples that are 12"x12"in.and can be cut with a masonry saw to the dimensions of your choice.The plates are$19.00 each +7.50 shipping and he'll combine shipping.The shipping time is about 3weeks.Matt
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I'd pick up a couple for training. I think you should try to back this material up with a 1/8" steel plate. Test that with .308 rifle rounds.
I'd be willing to pay for the materials for such a test an I'd guess that it would stop both .308 and 5.56 SS109 rounds. Looks like you have the
beginnings of a home business.
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Matt the DL# thingy is not true...need to use some other means to determine someone's felony status.
Thanks DT!I wasnt sure on that.I do know I can post a disclaimer like the other outfits I see selling the vests and plates and vests.Matt
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I'd pick up a couple for training. I think you should try to back this material up with a 1/8" steel plate. Test that with .308 rifle rounds.
I'd be willing to pay for the materials for such a test an I'd guess that it would stop both .308 and 5.56 SS109 rounds. Looks like you have the
beginnings of a home business.
The panels are supposed to be NIJ Threat level IIIA as a stand alone,and have been tested up to .44mag even out of a pistol caliber carbine/rifle.These panels wont protect against a normal rifle round as a stand alone according to the guy I bought them from.I've thought of a test with two panels against 7.62x39,using my brother inlaws AK.I dont have any thing else handy to test fire in a rifle caliber other than a.22LR with some CCI Max rounds.It wont happen till I'm off work on Saturday reguardless.Matt
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As for the quality of the plate carrier,I was actually suprised with its construction.It looks to be as durable as some of the high$$ gear I've looked at that are twice the price.But to each his own.If you want panels/hard plates for a different carrier PM your E-mail address to me and I can link you to the Ebay listing.The panels/plates I'm getting are samples that are 12"x12"in.and can be cut with a masonry saw to the dimensions of your choice.The plates are$19.00 each +7.50 shipping and he'll combine shipping.The shipping time is about 3weeks.Matt
i suppose. ;)
Make sure you post up your range results. I am interested to see how they pan out.
be interesting how it would do backed with 2a soft panels.
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Was told they could be combined without a problem,or used as stand alone.Matt
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Deth said he will wear the vest for your test shoot. He sure is a good sport, ain"t he? And Dark said that he wants to be apart of the testing too so he will be a shooter and he will bring his own rifle for his part of the test.
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I might be intersted in one, keep us informed how the tests go.
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Deth said he will wear the vest for your test shoot. He sure is a good sport, ain"t he? And Dark said that he wants to be apart of the testing too so he will be a shooter and he will bring his own rifle for his part of the test.
::cr I TRUST MADE IN CHINA
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The important part's(The plate's)were developed,and are made in the U.S.A.!!Matt
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Test results?? ;D
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Sorry about that.I've been sick yesterday and today.I'll try to do it tomarrow.Matt
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Any testing yet? :o
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I was sick with some wierd @$$ flu Sat.,Sun.,and Mon.that knocked my @&%# in the dirt.I only got out of bed for an Easter get together.I'll try to get it done when I get home from Atlanta today.Matt
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Did the range test today,and will post pictures and the explanation of the test that was done later.It took 50+rounds of 115grain FMJ 9mm Federal shot in the same area to finally compromise the plate and finally pentetrate it.This was done at about a 8'ft distance.Matt ::ad
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Today's Range test picture's.I did the test with my Steyr M9-A1 using Sellar&Belliot,and Federal 115grain JHP 9mm.I was standing 8'ft from the targeted plate.Here is what the first 15rds did shot at rapid fire.(Front)
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,the layers starting to delaminate/seperate.
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Range test pic's continued...Here's after 15more rounds rapid fired:(Front)
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,(More delamination)
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Range test pic's continued.These are of the last 30rds carefully placed in the same spot.(Front)
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,(Almost total delamination of layers)
.Only the last 5rds caused what I consider a breach of the final layers.Even then none of the rounds passed through the plate.Other than use as a conversation piece,the plate is toast.Matt
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"NOW",what do you all think??Hmmm??Matt
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very interesting......i would like to see some of the testing. really this is very interesting.
i would be MORE than happy to be a part of some future testing.
these are not mine, but i can donate ::)
.223 from a saiga
anything 12ga inc. magnum slugs from a mossberg 500
.45 from two pistols
and for the big dog.....
7.62x54r from a 91/30 mosin ;) of coarse DETH will need to hold the targets up so i can fire at them. 8)
i would be impressed if it could stop a 12ga slug and/or a 7.62x54.
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Thanks Darkside,"BUT"these are NIJ threat level IIIA.They're said to stop"PISTOL"caliber rounds up to,and not exceeding .44magnum.This is even out of a"PISTOL"caliber rifles.These are also supposed to stop a 3"in magnum 12gauge round("00"buck,and rifled slug) at 10'ft.I would love to try Two plates together against some rifle calibers,"BUT"expense is an issue.Though substancially cheaper than Kevlar,that little range test with one of my plates and 60rds of ammo cost me about$40..I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin.Matt
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It looks good Postal. If you think about it though it might protect you from a rifle caliber if simone say is snipping at you from long range where the bullets starts slowing down. So maybe in a patrol situation ya never know. and anyting between you and a bullet is better then nothing..
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A more than adequate torture test. Backed with a 1/8" steel plate it should stop rifle rounds (.223, .308, 7.62x39) with acceptible shock to the 'target'. A similar .45Acp test would prove it out to my satisfaction.
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i'd be more interested in seeing how much it'd cost to lightly armor the front interior cab of a vehicle.....like maybe some pieces on each seat and on the interior of each door, possibly some on the dash (though relying on the engine black might be easier than the crazy custom cutting and fitting i think that'd take).
something i was looking into and this seems a more economic way to do it.....still by no means cheap but compared to the current armor options, well this kinda thing is more an option.
of course i have no cash and no vehicle as of now so this is all hypothetical lol. when i actually have both i'll try to make some serious inquiries as well as for the actual wearable armor set up. seems doable though.
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Other than buying the sample IIIA(4"x4"or12"x12")plates this stuff is sold in lots of 500sq ft@ about$6,000 plus shipping cost.It can also be gotten in level's III-V.Those I dont know the cost of,but I can find out.Matt
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that's actually pretty affordable if i can get several like minded people to get involved and split the bill and plate material.
plus i have a buddy who's going to college to be an engine technican but he's also gonna do bodywork......and he'd love to help on that project as well as armor his own car.
so idk something i'll look into down the road.....a few years for that kinda project though.
where's it ship from?
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The plates ship from Englewood,Oh..The Carriers ship from China,VIA Sydney,Australia.The shipping time for both is slow and really sucks.3wks for the plates,and 2 1/2wks for the carriers.Matt
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The plates ship from Englewood,Oh..The Carriers ship from China,VIA Sydney,Australia.The shipping time for both is slow and really sucks.3wks for the plates,and 2 1/2wks for the carriers.Matt
How does Shipping from China thru Australia to the States take less time than just from Ohio?? WTF?? Them Buckeye's are some slow folk.
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I've got a line on getting the laminate fiberglass plates again,but the cost has gone up 30%.
There are now two choices though.
Threat level IIIA that I posted the range test of,and now"Threat level III".
Anyone interested??
Matt
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Bumpfire!
Matt
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I don't know how the hell I missed this thread, but I'm interested. Send details please?
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Curious on the price of the level 3 plates as well.
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Dang talk about blast from the past. Any updates on testing?
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I can't believe it's been four years. But I will continue the trend of new inquiries, I have a little more money than I did four years ago too.
Just not that much.